Work Or Shoot?: A Wrestling Podcast
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Speaker 3:Go on, Marty.
Speaker 1:Go on.
Speaker 2:Marty.
Speaker 1:Then kill me If you smell. Welcome to the Strongholding Podcast. This is Heavy D Rhino's in studio. Claybo yeah, wes who, little Wes, smaller Wes, both here. Wayno is on the call. I taught Wes's kid how to do.
Speaker 3:Too sweet and now we just do it All the time.
Speaker 1:And it's awesome, boys.
Speaker 3:It's Sunday, march 2nd, the day after Elimination Chamber, and Holy crap, I can't believe it Coming off the show and now the meme engine is fully alive yeah, I think everywhere loud and proud.
Speaker 1:The first meme I seen was the meme last night when we said we were going to see was that dude who was shocked and his mouth was wide open. Yeah, I said that guy, immediately the guy that was wearing.
Speaker 3:The scene is still shook. Yeah, yeah and his mouth my wife his wife literally watched him normally she watches green shirt guy the whole entire show. She's like the guy forward to the left of him, so much better. Look at his face.
Speaker 1:I love green shirt guy because he knows what's going on. If you watch him enough, you can tell when something's going to happen, because I'm that's. When he gets his camera out, he gets his camera out.
Speaker 2:I know he pulls his phone out he pulls his phone out before anybody else does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he knows the card, he knows what's happening.
Speaker 2:He's Jacob Fauci's wise man.
Speaker 1:Wano, did you watch it from work?
Speaker 4:I did, I did on my phone. Did you wake everybody? Up Did you watch it? No, that would be a bad thing to do.
Speaker 1:But were you super excited.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, 100% God. It was awesome. Quick question though Do it Green shirt guy shoot or work.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? It's a word. Green shirt guy works for the company.
Speaker 4:Green shirt guy works for the company.
Speaker 1:Yeah, green shirt guy works for the company.
Speaker 3:He may not work for the company, but at this point he's such a staple that he's getting kickbacks. He's winning.
Speaker 1:There's pictures of him going backstage with that dude who dresses up like Macho man. It's him and that guy going backstage all the time, Well behind.
Speaker 3:But that could be just VIP tickets, mcafee and stuff. Last night there was like three rows of content creators. Yeah, it was crazy they had Netflix paid for every single one of them to come out. Last night I was like Lord, how do we get that gig?
Speaker 1:back. All right, everybody's sitting at this table has something to cook about, all right, so we're going to have to balance this. This whole episode. I will go last. I feel like, yeah, clay, if you've noticed, has been really quiet, right, and if you don't listen to this podcast and you don't know the last episode, clay's predictions were pretty close, all right, and he has let everyone know that that he was right. All right, made, my Kevin is right shirt had to change over to Clay is right, that's what we know. So we'll let Clay go last. I got something to something to say too. Let's let wayno go first. Well, you, we got. We got a whole board up here, right, that's, we'll just keep you. Keep you feeding on it. I can't see the board I know it sounds good.
Speaker 4:I know you can't see the board if you we'll feed you in.
Speaker 1:We'll feed you in the topics, all right. Sounds good, but I know you can't see the board. We'll feed you in the topics, all right.
Speaker 4:Sounds good.
Speaker 1:But I know you need to say something, so just say what you need to.
Speaker 4:What I need to say is, of course, Clay was right 100%, and I think we all just need to let the process happen. We have all these crazy predictions and I think this has been cooking for a long time. It's actual storytelling, and when we don't do it like we're not used to it and we still let it cook, Well, they even stopped being so, like at the end of the show when they were on the um, the news briefing afterwards uh, when the news briefing afterwards?
Speaker 3:when the rock came up? He even admit almost everything they're talking through is eight months in advance, eight months in advance at all times?
Speaker 1:Yeah, at least.
Speaker 3:At a bare minimum.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:Now there are swerves and stuff like that that you have to take in the moment. Sometimes you have to make changes, like they did last year for Mania, but they're saying everything is eight months in advance right now. Yeah, I believe you can see it. I believe it, I believe it 100 percent um like everything with bad blood.
Speaker 4:It was. It was nonsense then yeah and that's what's crazy. Them like film and storytelling, where something random happens and you find a way to tie it in later, like I don't think that's the case here. I think it was just planned. But you know you can, something can happen and you can build the story to include it, to make it seem like it was part of the plan the whole time. There's a word for it, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:So like I think we're just dumb. Yeah, what we're asking is if that was all the plan or not, right? So 100%. We got Rhino here because he was just as passionate about the PLE last night as we are, and he's got his whole family watching it now. So they're all crazy about it and everybody's got their own predictions. Was at your house, right?
Speaker 3:um no, I mean I think everybody was kind of on the same trail that clay was on. We just didn't know if it was cena or punk that would take the corporate steering right. But then about midway through the day we're all like it's almost too obvious I'm not saying that it was obvious, it was definitely going to happen, but everybody knew that Cody was not going to take the bait. Yeah, so everyone kind of pivots to well who will? And I didn't think it happened last night.
Speaker 1:That's why I didn't think it happened last night.
Speaker 3:I thought it would be more of a steered, slow chemical buildup until WrestleMania. I didn't think we'd see it last night until I saw Cena's like sociopathic face over top his shoulder that gives nightmares that face that is the cringiest face I've ever seen, got Homelander vs Peacemaker at Wrestlemania.
Speaker 3:I freaking loved it. But the biggest thing to take away from the family angle yesterday, like everybody was glued to it, except my six-year-old. She was pissed because Jey Uso wasn't there and she couldn't stand on the back of the couch and yeet, that's all she wanted to do was yeet all day long.
Speaker 1:We needed some yeets, but Colt was legitimately physically upset when the Sammy match, the Sammy and KO match. He loves Sammy.
Speaker 2:He cried.
Speaker 1:He was legit crying in Wes's arms.
Speaker 3:So there's, I've got another.
Speaker 1:It's just brutal.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to attest to this. My cousin, you know, my cousin Katie. She's got a son named Parker. He's probably six or seven years old. They went they're the ones I showed you the pictures of. They went to the Rumble. Oh yeah, cena turned heel last night. He started screaming to the top of his lungs that he hated him and went and got every Cena figure that he had and ripped their heads off of him. All right.
Speaker 3:They didn't send me those Dismembered the heads off of multiple Cena figures and said I hate you, john Cena.
Speaker 1:I hate you so bad. I'm like you know what's good man Heat.
Speaker 3:Heat.
Speaker 4:Wes, that's how you want to hear.
Speaker 2:Man, I'm right there with Ryan.
Speaker 1:Initial thoughts.
Speaker 2:My initial thoughts. I knew Cody wasn't going to take the bait the night before. I know you didn't watch SmackDown Right when the Rock debuted that weight belt that said Cody's soul and had Dusty's. I was like you're not going to make that belt unless you're going to use dusty. I said you're not gonna make that belt unless you're gonna use yeah so I was like he's not gonna take that, but I did like ambiance and foreshadowing. I did like the fact. Did you notice that everybody in the chamber match came out in black?
Speaker 3:did you notice that in the women's almost everyone came out white?
Speaker 1:yeah, but jade was in black.
Speaker 2:Jade was like, but I was saying was in black justina was wearing white shoes yeah, but I was just saying the whole. We were trying to figure out who's gonna who's gonna be the one and they, they all came out in black. So you couldn't figure it out and you're you know all that. So I did like that. I didn't see the scene of thing coming. Just because my argument was where he was going on the retirement run, I didn't feel like he was going to have enough time.
Speaker 3:It wasn't enough time.
Speaker 2:That was my biggest argument the whole entire time it was like why do it?
Speaker 3:now. We've waited 20-some years. Why now?
Speaker 2:But that whole face, yeah, that's nightmare fuel.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's terrifying. It reminds you of a close-up view of Leprechaun from the Leprechaun movies.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because his ears are massive.
Speaker 2:He's got the same disease as Andre the Giant.
Speaker 3:No, what did he have? Marfan's or something like that I don't even know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Is that giant? Anybody want a peanut? He's got cauliflower ears?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because his fingers are huge, the gigantism thing.
Speaker 1:That's why his hands are so big, his forearms are weird looking. Clay, everybody acknowledge me. I'm not putting my hand up.
Speaker 1:I ain't putting my hand up Because the darts thing. But I will say it was a pretty good call. Good job, Clay. I may have not got it spot on, but it was pretty close, you knew. I mean you called that. Yeah, I think the moment for me when Cody turned his back I know enough about wrestling that Cody turned his back was like oh no, he turned his back to him, the darts are going in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was like why is he?
Speaker 1:doing that. It was beautiful. Oh no, he turned his back to him. The darts are going in. Yeah, I was like why is he doing that? But it's beautiful Question is is Cena going to leave until Mania or is he going to show up on Smackdown or Raw?
Speaker 3:It'll be part time, I do believe. I think it'll just be like a Roman build. You'll get him like once every second week.
Speaker 2:He's back in Africa filming another movie, they said. Yeah, I think so, Also Bangladesh maybe. How long has it been since we got like a legit F-bomb dropped on a PLA that wasn't A while it has to be a while. And it's a baby that said it.
Speaker 3:They're backtracking that hard now that's getting cut out oh really oh yeah, oh yeah um, you think you think they didn't know he was gonna say it. I think they're 100 of them's gonna say it, but he said it at like 10 40 at night. So it's okay.
Speaker 2:But now and all that oh yeah they'll cut it to all hell and back now and that was was a callback to that AEW little skit he did. Do you remember that one where he was making fun of everybody and acting like he was possessed? The last bit of that he says F the Rock.
Speaker 1:I think all that was. I think Triple H is cooking. This is the first time. I don't think Triple H is cooking. This is the first time.
Speaker 3:I don't think Triple H gets enough credit for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think a lot of it is immediately goes to God.
Speaker 3:Look how amazing the rock he has. But this isn't the rock. I think, a lot of it is the rock, but yeah, um.
Speaker 1:so I think, uh, obviously a lot of it's the rock, but but somebody's writing it. I heard somewhere that Hurricane Helms was involved, huge with this PLE. It was mostly his writing. Did we see him? Yeah, he was out there at one point. We can just go down the list. The first thing now I got some stuff I need to say, but I'll say it when we get to it. I do want to say that Cena has 30 appearances left in the year, at least right because that's like part of the contract.
Speaker 1:He's got 30 appearances left, that's two a month. That's more than Roman was there it?
Speaker 3:sounds about right. Yeah, so I mean he can pull off being a heel for the rest.
Speaker 1:That's two a month, right? That's more than Roman was there. It sounds about right, yeah, so I mean he can pull off being a heel for the rest of that time and I think everything will be fine, you just want to go down the card. Yeah, what do we think the Mania matches are? I mean, I guess we got the Mania matches now are going to be. Yeah, I just put this down because I just yeah. My predictions are, I say Punt, roman and Seth at Mania.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, seems like that's where it's heading towards, and then I got Drew Dane because, if you think about it, you had Drew eliminating or Dane eliminating Drew at Rumble.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Eliminated him first at Chamber. So.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's sad too.
Speaker 1:And he's been calling him and he's been saying a bunch and all he does is cry.
Speaker 2:He's been calling him cry baby, yeah, but with that being said, if we follow the figs Drew's- getting an ultimate. So he's somewhere in that storyline. He's going to get some sort of push. I'm not saying he's getting a title, but I'm saying he's going to be a dominant character in that story.
Speaker 3:They've not given up on Priest.
Speaker 1:You guys think that we're getting another.
Speaker 3:No, they've not given up on Priest yet you think we're getting another Sammy KO match Mania. No, I think that's done. Yeah, I think it's done. I think that's done, I think now. I think you saw last night what you're getting at Mania, and that's going to be Randy and KO.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think Sammy's going to take time off Now. Randy and KO Disagree Really.
Speaker 3:Disag. It could go bigger. I don't know that it'll be a Mania match, but now I think we start getting our Sammy Carrier.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we have to have that. That might happen at Raw.
Speaker 3:That might. I think that'll be probably something that builds up and builds around Mania.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Mania itself.
Speaker 1:But I think I'd like to see Carrier have a Mania match. That'd be great. I would love it. He had one last year year. It was a straight fight.
Speaker 3:But I do think that now that's where we're transitioning.
Speaker 4:Probably towards him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, lashley and his crew Forgot about that. That was bad, though, because that match was bad yeah.
Speaker 3:Other than the whole get the table spot. It was pretty bad.
Speaker 1:And I think we get Naomi Jade. I think we get Naomi Jade. I think we get Naomi Jade. You think we get Naomi Jade. Wayne, wayne, say it Wayne.
Speaker 4:I don't think it was Naomi. I don't either. I don't think it was, either I don't think she did it.
Speaker 3:I don't either. I think it's a red hair.
Speaker 1:I think Bianca, I think Bianca. I think Jade thought it was Naomi and it was Bianca.
Speaker 4:I think she knows it was. I think she knows it was Bianca. She may have known it was Bianca, but Bianca was in, paul, I got you.
Speaker 3:She went to.
Speaker 1:Naomi to get to Bianca.
Speaker 3:Yeah, here's the tricky part, because it's going to have to be a shenanigans-based plot gimmick, because you've got to remember when everything happened and she got hurt, Bianca was in the ring. A lot of people forget that part that when everything happened like it happened, live in motion with the cameras and everything. Bianca ran out of the ring. She was in the middle of her qualified match for the US or the IC title. Yeah, out of the ring she was in the middle of her qualified match for the US or the IC title.
Speaker 4:That's just when they found her right.
Speaker 1:Probably yeah, can I tell you what I think could happen. Yeah, go for it. I think Bianca's not going to believe Jade, and that's how you go down there. That's how you get down that road, because Jade is going to be the baby now. That's the biggest pop Jade's ever got in her whole career.
Speaker 3:That kills.
Speaker 1:AEW yeah, it was AEW murder. Every time somebody old AEW comes in and gets a pop, what was I going to say? But either way, that was a badass spot. It was awesome. Jade coming in and doing that was great.
Speaker 3:How many matches are usually on each one of the cards, five or six, and then we definitely five.
Speaker 4:I think it's usually five, I think it's five.
Speaker 1:So it's a 10-match card total. Is there going to be footage shown, you think?
Speaker 3:I'd say so. See, that's the way I thought it would play out last night, like you. Yeah, you had their initial footage that showed. You know, live and raquel walking away. I thought the match would start.
Speaker 1:Everything will go quiet and I've said the titan trial would be a different camera. That's such a, such an attitude everything to do.
Speaker 3:I thought that's 100 is like all right here's the actual angle, or like a conversation backstage. They caught on camera of like. Bianca and Naomi scheming it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that could be a multitude of any match. It could also end up being a triple threat. I mean Naomi, jade and Bianca.
Speaker 3:But is Naomi and Jade worthy of a Mania spot?
Speaker 1:I hope not. They had one last year.
Speaker 3:It was a big tag team, though it was a big triple.
Speaker 1:No, it has to be Bianca and Jade. No, because Bianca's facing Rhea.
Speaker 3:Oh, right, yeah, I'm not sold that that doesn't end up becoming a triple threat.
Speaker 1:By all three of them. All three of them, I trust Trash Can becoming a triple threat.
Speaker 2:All three of them. All three of them.
Speaker 4:I trust Trash Can. This is a threat because I mean we know Rhea's going to be EO tomorrow night. That's going to happen 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So if it projects to be Bianca and Rhea, that's going to be double baby. But I don't think we know anything about Hilton baby faces anymore think about heels and baby faces anymore. Truly, honestly, we need to stop we need to stop. We need to stop doing that we can.
Speaker 1:I mean the rest of the. We'll get to this in a second. But the reason I think we need to stop thinking in the way we used to think about baby faces and heels has a lot to do with something we're going to talk about in a little bit, about the post-show stuff.
Speaker 4:Exactly. Traditionally, somebody should be a heel. That could be Bianca, because she did it, or it could be a triple threat. Who knows what we?
Speaker 3:know, here's the problem, though. We're saying about five matches each night on the card, right Right now. This is just jotting stuff down.
Speaker 1:Well, they'll have to be matches, the ones you know will kiss.
Speaker 3:You got Jane Goof.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Guaranteed Cody, cena Guaranteed. Very likely triple threat punk Roman Seth.
Speaker 1:Best in the world.
Speaker 3:All right Guaranteed, you're not going to leave Drew and Damian off the card. They're going to make the card in some form or fashion. Randy KO is built for mania. It's not being left off the card yeah, we're getting punt kick Bianca. Let's say Bianca Rio slash EO. I said Rio.
Speaker 1:Rio.
Speaker 2:Rio.
Speaker 1:Rio's got it.
Speaker 3:Rio. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven matches right there, right there, right off the rip. So you're still missing, sammy. Let's be honest. Logan Paul's going to be on this card somewhere, hopefully.
Speaker 2:Can I throw someone else out there? The Prophets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but now we're just fantasy booking though.
Speaker 4:I agree with you.
Speaker 1:Okay, but we're just doing matches, we're just writing stuff down that we know has to be there.
Speaker 3:This is the seven that automatically has to be there.
Speaker 1:That are going to be there. That has to be there.
Speaker 3:I've got another one who you got.
Speaker 4:LA Shinsuke US title. I think that'll be resolved before we get there.
Speaker 1:I do think that'll be resolved before we get there. I can see that.
Speaker 3:Now I think you could get. I don't know if you've got enough time to ramp LA up. So I think what ends up happening, whoever ends up winning that one, I think it's resolved prior to Mania and that probably gets left off the card. Now what?
Speaker 2:Then you have IC, If that one stays off.
Speaker 3:IC goes on, then you probably get Braun in a match with somebody.
Speaker 1:I don't think you see both up in there.
Speaker 3:I don't think you see both sets of men tag titles on the card. It's too much.
Speaker 1:Unless you do something extravagant, like another one of them, big wild-ass frigging Me and Clay are thinking there's going to be something crazy like a 10-man tag or something.
Speaker 3:I can see that Now. If that's what you want to do, that's how you have to do it, Because we got pretty deadly, and they were doing it.
Speaker 1:Obviously too, it wasn't like it was pretty deadly. Machine Gun Kelly's Machine Gun, kelly the IY yeah.
Speaker 3:The Prophets. That's probably a five or six-man tag. Well, that's an eight-man tag.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but, but there was another team out there. There's another team. Oh, the LFG. Yeah, the La Familia, the Mexicans.
Speaker 3:Yeah, la Familia Hat guy no, hat guy Hat guy no hat guy, he said LFG, lfg, los Garza. Los Garza.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Los Garza has to be in it. They're pushing Los Garza a ton.
Speaker 3:I would almost argue that you just run back what you did last year and do it LDF, hang both sets of tag titles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you should do that again too.
Speaker 3:Because right now the tag divisions are so lopsided between what you're seeing on SmackDown and what you're seeing on Raw.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Put them both up. Who are the tag champions on Raw now? Exactly, exactly, war Raiders, war Raiders. The fact that you had to say.
Speaker 3:That Proves my point exactly, exactly so put all of them into that chaotic match.
Speaker 1:Do like five six tag teams, and then split and actually do it right this time.
Speaker 3:Do an even split. A-town down under is probably in there somewhere still, yeah, no.
Speaker 2:They're in Raw now.
Speaker 3:No, that's what I'm saying. If you bring it all together with both sets of titles, you guys don't watch NXT, no you guys don't watch NXT.
Speaker 1:No, they're. They're getting ready to turn.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're about to turn On each other when they show me that and it actually Finally happens, I'll believe it, because we also said this About 18 months ago.
Speaker 1:No, I know it I know it, they had a match.
Speaker 2:They had a triple threat.
Speaker 1:They had a triple threat With.
Speaker 3:Oba Femi For the NXT tag title, and then they had the whole entire thing. Where?
Speaker 1:Jay Yeeted Literally right in Grayson's face and disrespected him. Yeah, and Grayson pulled out the ref when Austin Theory had Oba beat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't see it, I hate to say it.
Speaker 1:We're all marks.
Speaker 4:I think those happen, but we didn't get enough time for that to happen.
Speaker 1:Build something meaningful for somebody.
Speaker 3:by that point, if anything, you put them in that match and you use that as a splintering effect to split them up further.
Speaker 2:Is there room in Mania for them to finally break up Judgment Day with?
Speaker 1:Finn, no, they're going to add a new member.
Speaker 2:Or kick out Finn Judgment.
Speaker 3:Day is gone. Right now I don't see any room on the card for Judgment.
Speaker 1:Day. I think we'll get Demon Finn before Mania. I mean, I think, we'll get Demon Judge not at Mania, after Mania. I don't think anything's going to happen there. I mean, what's right after Mania Backlash?
Speaker 3:I lied, I think you do get Judgment Day at Mania, but in my opinion it's their most valuable superstar right now. It's Liv Morgan oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:I just think Liv and Dom cook, there's got to be an implosion somewhere, with Finn it's building up to that.
Speaker 3:That's one thing I did right down here. I do think the women's tag championship probably would be cooler to watch than any of the men's. Yeah, you take her and Raquel and you put them against Alexa.
Speaker 1:Bliss, I can't remember her name right now Nikki.
Speaker 3:Cross.
Speaker 2:With that being said do you think that with Alexa Bliss, they need to fast track it? Yeah because, I feel like they yeah, because you know, I feel like they got her back at rumble. She got disqualified. Put her in chamber, she got disqualified, or you know she yeah pinned, but I feel like they need.
Speaker 3:It's too slow I've seen eight different interview counts from people that were at toronto last. That said, by and large after the whole Jade thing happened, the whole entire crowd was in unison behind Alexa Bliss and no one else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:You couldn't hear it much on the TV. I mean because I mean.
Speaker 1:God, it's the Blue Jade Stadium. They'll have to do something. They'll have to do something with her.
Speaker 3:But she they said like the crowd was firmly behind Alexa Bliss.
Speaker 2:No, I'm right there with you. I feel like they can't do that.
Speaker 3:It's got to happen now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that slow burn of the White Six, it's got to be a little bit faster.
Speaker 3:I think it's whatever is going on with Uncle Howdy.
Speaker 1:He's hurt. He's hurt, but I think there's other things. There's some type of litigation, crap or something going on in the background there has to be, because if he was hurt, they'd just put him in the wheelchair. I mean, put him in the rocking chair. I think she's going to take it over. Oh, really, I think she's going to take over the whole thing.
Speaker 3:That'd be killer, and then bring him back at some point if you need to.
Speaker 1:She has more of a connection to him Dallas does. As far as that goes, alexa Bliss makes more sense than Uncle Howdy, really.
Speaker 3:I think Bo would sign that check and say go honey, have it.
Speaker 4:Take it run. I think he would Run Nice. We got Naomi Jade wrote down here, that just doesn't feel like a mania match to me.
Speaker 3:I have another one, solo Jacob, maybe that's probably a thing here, I don't hold on.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't feel like a mania match to me. I have another one, solo jacob. Maybe that's probably a thing, because that's happening sooner rather than later, because they're they're pushing it like I feel like they're building that faster than everything else or if not, we're gonna get solo, or jacob, for he's about to scream.
Speaker 2:I hate you solo anytime um, I just don't know what they're doing with the whole. They kind of just killed the whole tribe gimmick I don't think I think you're overreacting to that.
Speaker 1:I don't think it matters well I'm not a chief? I don't think. I don't think it was about the tribal chief, I think it was about the ula falla but I just meant the whole.
Speaker 2:Like they came back together, they all had the matching shirts. I think that was just it, though and then it was just was just done. Once that match was over, they all went their separate ways.
Speaker 1:From what I understood, that was it Like. From what I understood, that's what they were doing it mattered.
Speaker 3:I think they just needed a Survivor Series match. I think they just needed a Survivor Series match.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's the last War Games, by the way for a while I think Survivor Series. If that doesn't happen, I think he goes for that US title. Yeah, anyway, chamberism. So I mean, that's what we think.
Speaker 3:There's some open slots.
Speaker 1:If it's two match cards, you've got, three, you've got three that are flexible. Yeah, and you're barring injuries the rest of this month. You can't have any of those guys wrestle.
Speaker 3:Was there five or not last time? The worst case scenario Jey Uso gets hurt, your whole life's ruined.
Speaker 1:Jey Uso gets hurt. They've never been hurt really.
Speaker 2:They're going to.
Speaker 3:I'm going to be honest with you, jey. Getting hurt is the one I think you can recover from the easiest. Just because he's always going to be you've got a triple threat match with Punk, seth and Roman that you could easily just pull any one of those three out. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right. Yeah, we'll do chamber results. We might as well. I mean, we'll give it some turnbuckles. How many turnbuckles are?
Speaker 4:there, wayne, there's three, unless it's in the Tokyo Dome, then there's a potential for four. Okay, that's true, let's go, and T and AEW is in the ball.
Speaker 1:First match women women's chamber. We've talked about it, so just results. As far as Bianca winning, the whole match was awesome. I think everything was great. It's got my third turnbuckle. Yeah, it's got three.
Speaker 3:I loved everything about it, but I think they kind of buried Roxanne and Bailey. They did bury Roxanne, both of them really.
Speaker 1:I'm okay with them burying Bailey.
Speaker 3:There should be a few that should be getting carried. One of them should have pinned the other. I think they lost sight of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true. I see that. I don't think it matters as much, because, just because Bailey, whether she can wrestle or whether she can't, whether she's over or whether she's not, one thing always will remain.
Speaker 3:What's that BBL?
Speaker 1:Bailey has a fatty Okay.
Speaker 3:I think the match was great. I don't know what y'all do in terms of turnbuckles. Three's the best. Three's the best Two, seven, five, two, seven, five, two and a half turnbuckles Three's the best.
Speaker 1:Three's the best Two, seven, five, two, seven, five, two and a half turnbuckles. That might be our first three-quarter turnbuckle.
Speaker 3:One got removed partially and torn. One thing I will say. I don't know who wrote this, but whoever wrote this recently watched Scream 2. Why? I'm not talking about that board, I'm talking about the Women's Chamber match. I'm trying to get there. Anybody familiar with Scream 2 knows at one point that Dewey gets a fake death right off. They're in a movie studio at the college and there's a glass case window. He's screaming at Gale, which is Courtney Cox's character character, and he just keeps constantly getting beat.
Speaker 3:But at one point after she initially hits naomi and she throws her against the cage. Naomi hits the cage and does a very slow horror movie peel down, where she just slides down the cage, yeah, and then she starts beating her head against the glass while literally the entire time bianca's screaming just like courtney co I was like this is literally screaming.
Speaker 1:That's not a coincidence. I don't think because, Bianca's done that before. Bianca replicated that scene from Scary Movie, you know what I'm talking about the whole zombie fight scene.
Speaker 3:They're all over pop culture right now, obviously, Bring it on the Bring.
Speaker 1:It On. Stuff was cool.
Speaker 3:I literally watched that and I told Brittany that's Scream 2. She said you're talking about the scene where Dewey dies. She was completely devoid from it. I was like, yeah, she's like that's exactly what this looks like.
Speaker 1:Good match. I was happy with it. Next match was was it the women's tag? It was the low point of the night.
Speaker 3:I don't even know that that match existed.
Speaker 1:I forgot I forgot that match existed.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure Luke left during that match. I don't even Me, and Luke did.
Speaker 1:I forgot, I forgot, it happens.
Speaker 3:Other than the fact that Trish is from Toronto.
Speaker 1:That's it. It was just to get Trish. It was just to get Trish there.
Speaker 3:That match done nothing, it was just Tiffy heading into Charlotte.
Speaker 1:It was just to get Trish there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was nothing Done nothing.
Speaker 1:I give it zero turnbuckles.
Speaker 3:I'll give it one, because Tiffy's in it.
Speaker 1:God, have mercy on your soul. I don't give it any. I don't care about it.
Speaker 3:Let's talk about the— there's so many other things they could have done, and I don't want it to sound like I'm a woman hater, because I love the women's match more than I love the men's chamber match, it's okay.
Speaker 1:This is a sexist podcast, it's okay.
Speaker 3:There was no point of this match on this card. Have you noticed how they've been?
Speaker 2:riding though Tiffy, like her last this match and the last one actually the last three matches she's been squashed.
Speaker 3:Speaking of squashed Spaghetti. Squashed, yeah, but.
Speaker 2:I mean she's been like every match. It's like let's write her into being in a fetal position, holding her head the whole entire time, like you're supposed to be the women's champion and you're not. You're shown as not being powerful. You're shown as not being able to do moves.
Speaker 3:I have no interest. I 100% thought this would be the mania. Match that I would want would be Tiffy and Charlotte. I think it sucks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was awful.
Speaker 3:I think the build they're going to have to turn it up to 900, because right now, charlotte, every time she comes on TV which I know is her point and purpose when she comes on TV I just get annoyed. Everybody does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, none of us like her on TV. I just get annoyed. Everybody does. Yeah, none of us like her. No, Okay, let's get to where we want to go the unsanctioned match. The match Hold on Two seconds. Oh go, Wayne.
Speaker 3:Do it.
Speaker 1:Sorry.
Speaker 4:I didn't get to talk about the Trish match. Oh, talk about it.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I didn't think you cared. Next match, let's go, I think for me, as a fan of Kevin Skeen and El Generico and Sammy Zane, what did he go by before he went by something else too? And Sami Zayn, what did he go by before he went by something else too? Anyway, I think this match for WWE was as good as it could possibly get on. Like a hardcore, like a level for this level that they can be at now, I think that's as good as it could get. I don't think any two people could have done it any better. I think the barbed wire chair that obviously KO planted, or that KO put there and Sammy found right Because that was the look on Sammy's face I got that anyway. Did you feel that way, ryan? Yeah, that's kind of the way.
Speaker 1:I think it he went and planned on using it and then he did the double table spot. I called that immediately. I was like they're definitely going to go through two tables. Somebody is Because they do that every time they have a match they have a double table.
Speaker 3:I think the front of the actual stationary chair manipulation they do with the brain busters and stuff hurt me more than anything.
Speaker 4:Screw the tables.
Speaker 3:It's like the chairs is the pain.
Speaker 1:You see what we've set up with the figures here. That's what I'm talking about. And when he done the blue thunder bomb onto the chair. I just watched that. Onto the chair, stacked onto the chairs and then KO hit it and laid there on the chairs like he was crucified on top of them. God, it was awesome dude. That spot was great and he pinned him.
Speaker 1:I do want to point out the whole time he was pinning him on that chair I was like his shoulder's not even down. You can't pin somebody on a chair. We've been there before.
Speaker 2:It kept throwing me back to that picture. When they were in the Indies, there was an actual picture of Kevin Skeens standing there and he had a El Generico shirt on.
Speaker 1:It's the cover to our last episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where El Generico's head is on a chair.
Speaker 1:On a steel chair. Those two were brutal.
Speaker 3:People don't realize they were brutal to each other when they were. Has anybody taken more of a beating this year than Liv Morgan and Kevin Owens?
Speaker 1:No, kevin Owens has been Kevin Owens. Nobody's putting the respect on Kevin Owens' name that he deserves. I feel the same way about Liv. Yeah, I agree, but Kevin Owens has been doing it longer than Liv. I mean yeah, because she just came back really. I mean like relatively, you know, but the Liv tour Kevin has been taking L's for a few years and what's the payoff?
Speaker 1:You know, I mean they got to do something for him. He won that match. I guess it looked like he lost that match. If you ask me now what happened, I would say he lost it, but he won it. But I think ultimately what was so awesome about that match and what was so awesome about that rivalry and the buildup and everything is that did it matter who won that match?
Speaker 2:It did to Little West, it did to Lil Wes.
Speaker 1:It did to Lil Wes. Lil Wes was terrified. Wayne, I wish you could have seen Colt was crying.
Speaker 2:I know that sounds horrible, but he buried his head and he was crying. Luke was laughing the whole time at him, because of course that's what a big brother does.
Speaker 4:Here's the thing, here's how I feel. Okay, it's definitely amazing. Definitely, three turnbook was definitely possibly contended for match of the year so far. However, why did we not get color? I don't think any match needed it, it was this one. I don't say I don't think you always need it I don't really I don't think you always need it but I think in something like this it'd make it better. Can I tell?
Speaker 1:you. Was there a reason?
Speaker 4:Can I tell you why wasn't?
Speaker 1:there. I think they tried Okay.
Speaker 2:I think they tried I think they tried.
Speaker 1:I think the Kevin Okay.
Speaker 4:I get.
Speaker 1:I think the Kevin, I get trying, but there's one true, make sure it happens and that should have happened. Yeah, I agree, but they're not neither of them are bladers though right, they're both um, they're both school. They're both real guys, right, they're both knucklers right, all right.
Speaker 4:They bust each other up with knuckles, but I get it. But whenever you, whenever you bump your face off the chair and nothing happens, that's what. That's what I think. I think he was trying to bust his head on the face-down spot on the chair.
Speaker 1:But I agree with you, wayne, I'm not disagreeing, but we did make up for it With Cody, with Cody, but I'm going to argue this.
Speaker 2:I'm going to argue this the last you think it. Go ahead, wayne. I'm sorry, go.
Speaker 4:I was just going to say do you think oh my goodness, I hate not being there, it's so horrible. Do you think that Cody's color is the reason why we didn't get color here? Were they like, hey, we don't have one? No, I don't think so. Or hey, like Cody did it.
Speaker 3:I don't think that If it was raw I would think that If it was raw I would think that too, but I think the fact that Cody said go fuck yourself, I think all Sorry.
Speaker 2:Sorry for cussing.
Speaker 3:All conventional wisdom's gone out the window. You know what I'm saying? I don't think they were worried about any of that. Yeah, I agree with you. I'd say they probably tried and failed. Yeah, but it wasn't like the head gashed open that hurt me, it was the spines laid out on top of stuff and also that got me more than anything.
Speaker 1:We did get color on their backs.
Speaker 2:Sammy was bleeding in his back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was bleeding bad from his back.
Speaker 2:My argument was Kevin actually got, he showed color last event.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he did.
Speaker 2:So I mean and I'm not saying it's bad riding or anything, but it kind of will start getting redundant if you're in a big match like that and you get color every match.
Speaker 3:Come on, guys, we ain't in AEW here, let's chill.
Speaker 2:I do agree with that. He did have a good busted open moment with Cody.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you the grossest thing I saw on how long was Liv's rib cage?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, dude. Oh my God, that smack has to be like that pop. There's no way they expected to make that sound.
Speaker 3:It sounded like kendo sticks going off.
Speaker 1:I know they got the chambers mic'd up, but that sounded crazy, even people videoing in the crowd heard the same shotgun. You know how bad that hurt. I was like oh God.
Speaker 2:What about Kevin biting his nose Love that I was like. Is he mocks?
Speaker 1:So let's just say it's three.
Speaker 3:Hang on, hang on.
Speaker 1:Are we getting Vop or Randy? Yeah, oh yeah, forget it.
Speaker 2:Vop or Randy. He tried to do the punk kick.
Speaker 3:Everybody knew that was coming. As soon as that happened, I started cussing my TV. I'm like no, it makes sense. This is the Mania payoff. The punk comes in Mania sense.
Speaker 1:This is the Mania payoff. The punk comes at Mania. The punk comes at Mania, I agree.
Speaker 3:Does anyone else feel like that was the worst telegraphed surprise return? If you asked anybody about that match going in, they said KO's probably going to win. Randy's going to come out and kick his head to the moon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what everybody knew, Everybody. I'm just going to, I'm going to. I think that's fine, though I think there's. Oh, I don't hate it yeah.
Speaker 3:I think that's fine, that we know. I love the fact that we didn't get the post.
Speaker 1:I think we need such a mix of things we know are going to happen and things we don't. That was the thing we knew was going to happen. Yep, we knew was going to happen. The other stuff we didn't. We didn't know it was going to happen. Because that's the best part about wrestling is that being a mark is so fun when you think something's going to happen and you get swerved on and it feels like it should suck, but it rocks somehow.
Speaker 3:Everybody thought we were going to get Jade. Everybody was talking about Jade. Nobody thought we was going to get Jade before the freaking match even started.
Speaker 1:There's no way. We thought it was happening. I didn't even know we was getting randy I'm not. I didn't hear randy's music hit and I was like, why is there my chair? Oh yeah, I didn't hear his music hit.
Speaker 2:Um, I said that possibly naomi was going to win or be close to winning, and then jake come out and kill her. I didn't see her coming out before.
Speaker 3:He pulled back the pad on the floor and was getting into the package pile driver again. I kept screaming do the thing, Just do the thing.
Speaker 1:Do the thing.
Speaker 3:Then the voices went off and all of a sudden my wife said did they do the thing I'm like? Oh, clay said package pile driver about 150 times. Clay was like he's got a pile driver in right here.
Speaker 1:I said package pile driver through the double tables.
Speaker 2:Package pile driver here it is. They're too fat for that.
Speaker 1:Off the top of the rope they could have done that years ago, but they're too fat for that now he came out and he held the chair, and he held the chair and then obviously he pulled up the the way home three, three, four if there was four, if there was a fourth one, but there's not, is there wayne?
Speaker 4:there's not a fourth one. Come on, you give. It can be. What do you think? What do you think?
Speaker 2:three, three, all day long baby adg with adg, with wayne's peanut butter jellies and all his grilled cheeses that he talks about with jade and whatever he mumbles what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:I don't know, man. I don't know what's going on either you're. He's talking about the group text. Um, real cheeses, wayne, are you?
Speaker 4:how many turnbuckles I think you're gonna go trees three little cheese.
Speaker 2:How many turnbuckles for the, for the Sammy match. How many Loved it.
Speaker 1:Three, three.
Speaker 3:I just want to say that, cody's part being at the end, right, I didn't think it was going to be at the end.
Speaker 1:I thought it was going to be this is where we thought it was going to be and kind of, what that did was build up the anticipation. Because after that match, when I realized the chamber was next, I was like holy crap, they're doing something huge, Like for the chamber not to be last. They're doing something huge, but the chamber I don't know if that's who I expected. I don't know if it's who I expected to be last. They're doing something huge, but the chamber I don't know if that's who I expected. I don't know if it's who I expected to be out there to start it and I don't know if that's who I expected to get eliminated first.
Speaker 3:I think they're doing a massive disservice to him right now who? I think that Drew had the best 2024 of anybody on the roster.
Speaker 2:No, I'll give you that.
Speaker 3:I'll give you that and I get the story. You want to keep riding into a sniveling, whining complainer, but if I watch him get freaking rolled up one more time. I'm going to lose my shit.
Speaker 1:Trust the process.
Speaker 3:I trust the process. I do, I didn't for, just a little while I mean I have to enjoy the process of where it's going and how to get there, but I just I feel like yeah I didn't just for a little while, okay, um oh, I think that.
Speaker 4:Well, I've seen something where they said the one reason why drew may went soon is, of course, it gives him that you know gimmick of I got screwed that thing, yeah, but also that they wanted to keep him away from punk so they didn't take away from punk robs.
Speaker 1:I could see that. I could see that that makes sense. That way we don't worry about they want a deal, they want a program from daniel yeah, that's fine, but I agree with you that it's weird that he keeps taking L's like that too, and it's all roll-ups, every single one of them is a roll-up.
Speaker 3:Every single one is a roll-up. The Usos Each one got a roll-up. It's not even a good kind of roll-up, the fruit kind? No, it's just shredded cheese wrapped in a taco shell.
Speaker 1:You know a roll-up traditionally if you watch old matches and they did a roll-up roll-up's almost a bomb, though Like roll-ups traditionally is not just a roll-up. When they grabbed you and rolled you, they slammed you, yeah, and then rolled you, like when they brought you, like ripping the leg under and then flipping them. They would land on their back and take a bump instead of just slowly rolling over. You know what I mean. So it looked like a slam before, but now everything's easy.
Speaker 3:I feel like when that happened, it was crucifix roll up though it was a crucifix roll, but I feel like it took a lot of the steam immediately out of the match. It was weird, the crowd went quiet.
Speaker 1:It was weird.
Speaker 3:Very, but the rest of the match made up for it. It did make up for it, especially when it got down towards the final three, but I really do feel like they walked a tightrope there. They nailed it and obviously I mean the ending of it is going to deliver either way, but I feel bad for Drew.
Speaker 1:You think Punk, did you think Punk was going to win at any point?
Speaker 3:I did During it no. Is that what I wanted? 100%, yeah, I mean, let's get real. Well, punk again, though Punk don't need to win it, that's another thing Well, that's the one big domino we still have is the Heyman favor. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you think Roman was returning?
Speaker 3:I thought Roman was going to be. I thought we would get Roman.
Speaker 1:I'm really surprised that we didn't get there's a few names. I'm really surprised. I thought you had to have at every PLA for some reason. I'm really surprised we didn't have Yeet Right. I'm really surprised we didn't have Gunther Gunther and I'm really surprised we didn't have Roman that's who. I'm really surprised we didn't have those three people get an explosion pop, at least in appearance. And Bron Brecker doesn't exist. He only spears people. Yeah, he doesn't. I really hope my Miami predictions rock. Then you'd have to get the shirt.
Speaker 2:I think Lucas thought Roman was going to return too, because that shirt he has on right now is the one. He wore that last night and he thought about it too.
Speaker 1:I love the match. I liked the. Oh, we put some respect on Seth's gear. That gear rocked. Yep, I was a big gear guy yesterday. I loved everybody's gear. I think Jade had some of the best gear and she only showed it for like a minute and a half or whatever, but that all black gear was with the Storm logo in the middle was awesome and Liv's gear was sick. Everybody's gear was great. I love the white. We pointed out that all the women were wearing white and all the men were wearing black. Let's put some respect on Roxanne, roxanne, roxanne, roxanne, roxanne, roxanne. Turn on the red light.
Speaker 1:Roxanne Turn on the red light. She's very I hate this spot. Mike said he hates this spot. I think that match that was one of the better elimination chambers I've watched.
Speaker 3:There was a lot of complaints that I saw from streamers and everything else last night, but I don't think people were looking at it intelligently. There was not a lot of I don't know what the word would. I don't even think this is a word. I'm going to make up a word verticalism. Yeah, there was not a lot of usage of the actual apparatus.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like obviously even with Logan Paul. There you've got the giant pod frog splash. But they're like. At no point did the chamber actually feel ominous Cena died right.
Speaker 1:That was one of the spots Cena got put through one right.
Speaker 2:Kind of that was his resting spot. I agree with you, it was kind of mild there.
Speaker 1:There wasn't any superplexes off the top. There's usually something mild.
Speaker 3:But here's the problem. I've been on everybody, like everything I've seen, I've been in the comment section. I'm like everybody needs to wake up and realize something Everybody in that match last night was 40 years of age, of older, except for Paul, except for Logan, and he's the one that got the high-flying spot. Yeah, you're right, but I mean, like Seth, is what 39, knocking on 40?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's Luke. Seth is 100. Paul, ain't it? A lot of people don't realize that Damien is 42 years old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's older than crap. All these dudes have been wrestling. Drew's been wrestling forever.
Speaker 3:Brad's what Drew's 41 best in the world. They're all old, very, very, very old, and usually they'll try to plant somebody, like they did with Montez, like two years ago, just to try to put somebody in their spots.
Speaker 1:I'm excited what WWE is going to do when this old, when this crew's gone, like everybody in the elimination chamber in five years, is not going to be in WWE anymore, except for Logan Paul and he might not be.
Speaker 2:CM Punk will be in NXT.
Speaker 1:Somebody will be. Cm Punk will be on a mic somewhere. Yeah, he'll be in NXT, yeah he'll be manager somewhere, but match rocked. Highlights, Clay. What were the highlights for you, Logan Paul? You love Logan Paul.
Speaker 2:Clay's the only person in the room who loves.
Speaker 1:Logan Paul, he glazes them, bro. He glazes them To be fair. Super good heat, all the heat, all the time. Naturally, hate him, can't go to Japan. The curb stomp at the end to cost punk. I think it's just a stomp. I don't think we call it a curb stomp. What are you puking for, Ryan? You didn't like it. It was telegraphed.
Speaker 3:You could he kept lingering over in the corner, it was coming Also, even as a massive, massive punk Stan, I'm going to say one thing very quickly. Say it he destroyed about six different people's finishes last night. He did they let him kick out way too much last night. He literally endured and kicked out of everything.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he took a bunch for sure.
Speaker 1:And then the AA and GTS and gts to say the combo this is what we were. That's what we were. They were saying about the stfu uh, people should have seen the heel turn coming yeah, because because he did the stfu and he said he was never gonna do the stfu again. Right, because he didn't want to choke anybody out, because that's not who he was I love when they looked at each other.
Speaker 3:At one point they literally said I missed you yeah, yeah. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1:Just the throwback. That was all awesome. That match for me was three turnbuckles.
Speaker 2:The match was great.
Speaker 1:That's three. Okay, we're just going to universally give that three. Yeah Right, we're here now. Okay, give that three. Yeah Right, let's get. We're here now. Okay, we're here now, the final boss. I will admit some things, okay. The first thing I'm going to admit is somewhere in the last few months, somewhere along the line, I didn't trust the process. I would like to apologize for not trusting the process. I didn't trust the process. I would like to apologize for not trusting the process. I'm not going to apologize Because I think last night was so perfect and so obvious and so not obvious that it was so great, everything about it.
Speaker 1:I think, Cena's acting paid off, believe it or not, and I think the Rock's did too.
Speaker 3:Last night, yes, but I'm not going to forgive them for what happened two weeks ago or a week ago.
Speaker 1:With the Rock.
Speaker 3:That was the worst promo. Yeah, it was bad, he's cut in his career and he almost buried this and the whole post-show after that.
Speaker 2:The post-show which I think we're going to get to that here in just a second. I just made that last one.
Speaker 3:He just about buried this. He is so high on himself right now and what his perception of his air quotation storytelling is? He just about killed this. I really do think he did. You can say, hey, no, he sucked two weeks ago you can't tell me he tried to suck on purpose.
Speaker 1:I think that promo sucked. I do think that promo sucked. But, I got what he was trying to do. I get it, but that's the rock.
Speaker 3:There is no trying. Yeah, I'm sorry If you're going to carry this persona and you're going to flash around your TKO badge of honor, your little decoder ring. You've got to be better than that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, fucking brawn breaker. Sorry, language could have went out there and could have been a promo than that. Well, I don't know about that. You give Ricochet a mic, you let him bark for 10 minutes, and it would have been better than that Um real quick.
Speaker 1:I want to go back to the unsanctioned match. Go, we're getting headshots back. Ch. Real quick. I want to go back To the unsanctioned match Go.
Speaker 3:We're getting headshots, back Chair headshots. We are getting headshots back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was nice. We got a lot of headshots After this match A thrown one. We got a thrown one and then a normal headshot Barbed wire chair and I haven't seen that In a while.
Speaker 2:We counted three last night.
Speaker 1:Right Three. Yeah, that was wild.
Speaker 3:So who's the over-under on within the next three years? Who the next Chris Benoit is. I mean, look, we're bringing back package pile drivers, we're bringing back headshots, we're bringing back all of it. Who's the next person that goes bow flex? Yeah.
Speaker 1:JD McDonough gives off those vibes.
Speaker 3:McDonough will die before he gets there.
Speaker 1:He does a flying headbutt too. Mcdonough will be dead.
Speaker 3:He's going to die in the ring, You're right he's going to die in the ring. I could see If he would stop losing matches and actually get a big enough name. I could see Finn doing something like this. Yeah, Finn.
Speaker 1:No, he just loses, it's fine. Where's Poop DeSille? Oh my god, I can see Finn doing something like this. Yeah, finn, no, he just loses, it's fine. What Wes pooped his self? Oh my God Keep doing this.
Speaker 3:It's hot in here too.
Speaker 2:It's going to be bad. No, Clay did it first.
Speaker 3:It's going to be bad.
Speaker 1:Clay did do it earlier you sound like a duck call a while ago. So we can go back to the rock thing. Yeah, let me. I don't know if you guys know what Cody Rhodes has done and why he's. The question I want to ask, why he's so great? The question I want to ask is Cody Rhodes the most impactful, the impactful person, impactful star ever in wrestling Right?
Speaker 3:When Reese and Z-Bice is going to say yes.
Speaker 1:Right, I know Reese and Z-Bice, I know that. But you think about the things he's done, right? So basically, created the new Monday Night Wars, send Stone Cold. Yes, right, basically, I mean, I would argue it's bigger, he's more, I would argue he has done more for the industry than Stone Cold did Just because he created a Monday Night Wars, basically on his self, that he went and with his group created AEW, right, and brought the indie industry back and then came back to WWE and got super over again.
Speaker 1:Right, he's so over that he made Brock turn heel, right. He ended the longest championship reign of all time with Roman. He turned AJ heel. He turned the Rock heel. He turned AJ heel. He turned the Rock heel. He turned Cena heel. Ko, I guess KO too. Right, and you have to be the most over person ever to turn the most over people ever. Heel. There's nobody more over than the people. He's turned heel, all of them. There's nobody. When the people chose to turn the rock heel basically and give us Cody at Mania, I still think that's a work anyway. I still think that's a work. I think the whole thing's a work. I think that was a plan they were giving out. We want Cody signs at Raw. I think that was all a work, every bit of it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to agree with you with that, just because what Ryan said earlier about the Rock's ego Rock's ego would not let that be a shoot.
Speaker 3:Uh-uh, no, he was forced to. He wouldn't have been able to get off of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, I he wouldn't have been able to get off of that. Yeah, I agree, I think he would have threw a fit if that wasn't already. I also want to talk about what Travis Scott did to Cody Rhodes. So my theory is Travis Scott has no wrestling training at all, and Cody has had to tell him that you're just going to have to punch me if you're not going to be able to pull it. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I agree 100% I think he just did it Because he.
Speaker 4:Go ahead, wayne. He keeps doing the one thing that they don't want him to do in the ring and he did it last night and it was weird because it kind of took away from the spot. He didn't just punch Cody.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the Rock even said it, though Did y'all catch that in the post-interview?
Speaker 2:He was like, if you're going to do it, make it work.
Speaker 3:He said, if you're going to get your hands bloody, you better do it. Yeah, I just mean that. I think that meant you better just punch him square in the face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just mean that. I think the Rock, I think Cody probably was like if you can't pull a punch, you need to just hit me.
Speaker 2:But he hit him hard, he hit him hard and he moved.
Speaker 1:Cody had to move his head back the other way. He was like geez, but that was brutal. I think Cody doesn't let them hold back because those belt shots from Rock were real belt shots too. Now do we need Travis Scott?
Speaker 2:No, no we don't need. Travis Scott Lucas. He hated the whole Travis thing.
Speaker 1:But I'll tell you this, though I'll tell you why we have Travis Scott, because we are talking about Travis Scott.
Speaker 3:We are talking about him. That's why we have Travis Scott.
Speaker 1:Because we are talking about Travis Scott. We are talking about him. That's why we have Travis Scott. It's sales, right, travis Scott and sales. You were hyped last night when Travis Scott came out. That's why. It's because the demographic is 12 to 18.
Speaker 3:Me and Preston was hyped? Yeah, and you guys were hyped when he came out that 12 to 18 group Because it started playing fame. They were all like why is he here? What does it bring to this? All of us that are older is like they wasn't there for Dennis Rodman or Jay Leno.
Speaker 1:Mike Tyson has more mania main events than Punk does.
Speaker 2:Did you guys notice, though, that the rock and cena both within like two minutes of that spot?
Speaker 1:they had to correct travis oh yeah, travis was pulling back or making cody like lift up on his head and like I didn't see. It was like what the fuck are you doing like pushing it back down yeah, um.
Speaker 2:So the sage, the rage sage, as pat said.
Speaker 1:So the sage, the rage sage, as Pat said. A couple more things we need to go over. Are the post shows destroying the aura of the company? I have a lot to say about this, rhino has a lot to say about this, so I'm going to let you guys go off. I hate it.
Speaker 3:Clay I hate it.
Speaker 1:Everybody's breaking kayfabe, like Brock broke kayfabe last night by saying storylines. Yeah, he be, does it all the time?
Speaker 3:so last night was bad, but it was nowhere near as bad as what it was the other day after his first initial promo. Yeah, return, I like it. That was major glass shattering moments where he was just kind of going through and saying something like I love playing that character or something. He's talking about, it like he's at an interview press junket for Moana 8.
Speaker 1:This is not Moana 8. This is Elimination Chamber.
Speaker 3:Do you?
Speaker 4:think he has to do that to save face.
Speaker 2:I think it's an ego thing.
Speaker 3:I think it's an ego thing. I think he wants to hear himself talk. I think he wants to. I think it's an ego thing. I think it's an ego thing. I think he wants to hear himself talk. I think he wants to. I think part of it is indirectly building for Final Boss's actual character or corporate rock, however you want to play it out. I still think there is tremendous value in post shows. So here's where I would argue it. Clay, I don't think that the post shows are ruining the company. I think the rocks post show interviews is ruining the company. Cena walking in, picking up a mic, dismantling it, mic dropping and walking out was worth a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:That's what needs to be done.
Speaker 3:That was perfect when freaking Cody and Jay won their tag titles. Drunk they just went drunk on Drunken Tirade. It was hilarious, it was gold. I will literally hang to the. Literally, Mike. Listen to every single thing that Triple H says after these things, Even if it's just business numbers it don't matter, I bet you know you a gangstand though. I'm a gangstand. I'm about Daddy Paul.
Speaker 1:He could do anything, he'd kill your mom and you'd be like.
Speaker 3:That's okay, I've already got that black and gold Hall of Fame shirt ordered. That's my man. I like his insights because his insights don't break the fourth wall His are stats demographics? He will talk about how the match built and how the story went, etc. But he talks about what played out on screen, not. This is what we've been talking about for six months. We've written a draft, we didn't like it, we ripped it up, we went ahead and we went through this. I'm like dude, shut up, yeah, that destroys it.
Speaker 3:Like, I'm okay with breaking the fourth wall. I love it in a lot of situations, but that fifth wall, how many walls are there at this point? I don't know how many walls are there the rocks gonna start inventing?
Speaker 2:for sure yeah, just like, just like turnbuckles way my standpoint was it is when they started doing the post shows and started acting like they were sports events. Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They were kind of meshing the kayfabe with the sports event and all that but, like you said, with the Rock coming out saying we wrote a draft, we planned this for eight months, this has been going on. This is long game storytelling. We're doing the storytelling. You know that stuff doesn't work with what you've already built with these post shows. These post shows are supposed to be like within the story itself, but with the rock, the rock came out and destroyed that with one interview.
Speaker 3:Well, you can even deal with people back there that are back there chronically, like van valiet and other ones and stuff like that. They don't even know how to ask questions at this. Yeah, like the questions are even coming across kind of flat and stupid because yeah, why no?
Speaker 1:how do you feel about it?
Speaker 4:um, first thing, I I feel like, like you said west, about how you know, it's more of a sports event style style because of the post show I and do you think they do it because aw was doing it as well? I mean it's fine. I mean they, they done it for a long time and I have no problem stealing it. It's a good idea.
Speaker 2:So, um, to answer that wayne. I think yes, they full AEW made WWE get better, so that's one thing, yeah, so I think, that's one thing. Wwe said hey, we need to do this, but we can do it a whole lot better than AEW does it.
Speaker 1:You can take stuff. I mean AEW does some stuff, that's right, yeah, and I mean, but they do it after PLEs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like that one with the rock Right. That was after SmackDown.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was dumb so raw.
Speaker 4:Whichever one it was that week.
Speaker 3:Stupid it was unnecessary.
Speaker 4:And during the wars, during the wars, they they. The original wars, the good war, they they, they stole. They stole stuff from WCW that they did being live. Yeah for sure, the camera setup, all that stuff and stilling is fine and that's awesome. My next question is does AEW break the fourth wall in their scrums or no? I've not watched enough of them to even care. Dude Punk, literally Punk, punk, punk.
Speaker 1:Punk shut down the whole company. Tony Khan looked like he was going to kill his seraph.
Speaker 3:Tony Khan was like Holy shit, what are you saying? That's what's wild. You watch their media scrim. You see him doing that in AEW. Then you see him on the WWE side and he's like who's got donuts?
Speaker 1:Give me more donuts.
Speaker 4:Is it a normal?
Speaker 1:thing for them to do? That? I don't think it's a normal thing for them to break.
Speaker 2:No, I think they stay in character.
Speaker 1:It's the rock. I made you guys some name tags. It is yeah, I made a name tag for you guys. You're going to have to share it because I made it. You want to see it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I think it's all to say it.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they would say, mark, yeah, because I think it's all on purpose. I think the Rock knows everything he's doing. I think the Rock, being the character that we're talking about him being, is what he's doing on purpose. I think, ryan, saying that everything the Rock is doing is because of his ego, I think is the feeling that he wants you to have, because I trust the process and, above all, I trust the Rock, because I think he knows what he is doing and I am so sold on it. Did I feel this way last year? No, dude, I was like there's no way. There's no way that this is all planned and this is all here. Right, that's what I'm saying. Right, there's no way. But it is, everything's so planned and everything we know is eight months ahead of time. Right, we know the Rock is going to be that guy.
Speaker 1:And here's why I don't think the post shows. I think everything's different now. I don't think the post shows. I think everything's different now. I don't think it's like it used to be. I think it's an understood thing that when we are watching wrestling, we are watching a production uh, a production of you know of, of this company. Right, just like if we were watching used to when they recorded sitcoms live right. When they had a, they had a live ins live right. When they had a live in-studio audience right. I feel like that's what WWE is now, more than it is what it used to be More than it used to be now.
Speaker 3:I mean, we're pretty much seven days a week, 365 now.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, and it's seven days a week, 365 soap opera.
Speaker 3:It's a soap opera production, especially with all the other shows and everything that's getting intertwined.
Speaker 1:And the heat rock gets For us making, for us thinking that that's who he is. I just think. I think that's the way it's supposed to be, and I think the press conferences, everybody breaking kayfabe. I think we're to a point now where they want us To not care About the wall. I think they want us to not care about the wall. I think they want us to, and personally I actually I've came around on it so much now that it blurs the lines even more for me. That's why I enjoy it is because I can't tell what's real and what's not.
Speaker 2:And those press conferences do that for me more does that make sense, that makes sense yeah, but I'm gonna give it till next week when you go off and be like I don't, see the line no more I didn't see the line.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. This is I feel like it was different for me than it was for everybody else, because when I say I didn't see the line, I didn't, but now I do, now I get it, I feel like I sold my soul to the rock. That's what I feel like happened.
Speaker 3:So we've got through Most of the bullets on this board. I'm assuming y'all are getting close to ending Before you get there, especially with Clay, because I know Clay predicted all this. This is some projection, real quick projection, before we go to any type of closure.
Speaker 1:Wayne, are you good on time?
Speaker 3:We're good. Okay, this will only take like five minutes. Okay, we said that we got about 20 to 22 shows left for.
Speaker 4:John.
Speaker 1:Cena 30 is what I heard. 30 is what I heard.
Speaker 3:Well, let's say 30. How does the redemption arc work? Because you know he's not going to go out as a heel. So now, by doing this, you have set up the ultimate Christ is our Savior, sacrificial lamb scenario where at the end of this, he's going to eat a bullet for somebody, he's going to dive in front of a moving car to make him look holier than thou again, to either put something or someone over.
Speaker 1:It's got to be Jay or Cody. It's the only two people it can be.
Speaker 3:Does everyone agree with that? I agree with that. I agree with that. He is not going to go out like this.
Speaker 1:He doesn't seem like the kind of person that would go out like this.
Speaker 3:So in his end of the Game of Thrones series when he goes out holier than thou. How and why does it happen and when does it happen? What's going to be his last PLA? What's going to be his last hurrah? Because I really do think this sets up the Great Redemption arc.
Speaker 1:Cole just walks around doing too sweet to everybody now man, it's awesome.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say it's Star Wars.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's literally the Vader arc. Yeah, exactly, it's the.
Speaker 1:Vader arc your redemption is going to be hey, maybe it's R-Truth the redemption.
Speaker 3:That's the funny thing going around all day long is everybody check on R-Truth?
Speaker 1:R-Truth posted that thing where he said. What did he say? I'm about to crash, I'm about to crash or whatever. And I think, legitimately they're going to feud Like I think in this part they'll have a match and like it's R-Truth getting his moveset back. You know what I mean, because R-Truth has been doing his moveset forever. And I think it'll be. And R-Truth has an. R-truth is awesome dude. He has great moves but he doesn't see in his moves and I think they'll have a match. He'll be like you know, my childhood idol's gone.
Speaker 3:He'll call him Brock Lesnar. If he takes it at Mania, how long does he carry it?
Speaker 4:Summer Slam. I mean it has to be. You know, get me along with the End of the year, right? Do you think he carries it that long, or do you think?
Speaker 1:You have an immediate Turn around. I think works the best.
Speaker 3:Summer Slam is going to be. This is going to be our First two night Summer Slam. I think what works the best Is money in the bank. Have somebody cash on him, right.
Speaker 1:Don't that work the best? Yeah, yeah but.
Speaker 4:Money. Money is over. Can you imagine? How?
Speaker 2:good it is, it's going to be the end of the rock is what I think.
Speaker 1:When's he retire? What's his last day? Mania, mania next year. Who Cena?
Speaker 3:No, he don't get the Mania again. No, oh no, he don't get the Mania again. I know this is Final Mania. It's right before Rumble. It's right, it should be December, yeah, december.
Speaker 1:So what about him relinquishing the title?
Speaker 3:When's Survivor Series? November, november, it's usually November or 1st of December.
Speaker 1:I could see a path there where he just gives the title up and they do a Survivor Series for it, for the vacant title. But how does he?
Speaker 3:redeem from that I, I, I think, I swear to god. I think this is the plan. Is the great redemption arc? I don't like you said it. Maybe it's jay, maybe it's cody, yeah, but something's gonna happen where he basically darth vader killing the ultimate rub. Yeah, it's gonna happen. I don't think it's gonna be wasted on somebody like cm punk.
Speaker 1:No, it's got to be easter? It could be it's going to be wasted on somebody like CM Punk. No, it's got to be. It could be like Mello or somebody who they know is going to be. I know you're not crazy about Mello right now.
Speaker 2:No, I like Mello, I'm coming around to him.
Speaker 1:I think by Christmas, mello is going to be through the roof, dom, oh, that's it.
Speaker 2:I just think he's going to go that through the roof dom.
Speaker 1:oh, yeah, that's it. I just thank you. That's where we're at with it, yeah I think he's just gonna.
Speaker 2:He's gonna, like you said, bite a bite a bullet.
Speaker 3:He's gonna save cody from something like you said it's gonna be vader, and he's gonna, he's gonna turn on the rock literally, the rock is power turn on the rock will do it.
Speaker 2:He's gonna, and he's gonna end the rock. And then we're not gonna to get the Rock. He's going to end the Rock.
Speaker 3:In the process of ending the Rock. It's going to end him. He's done. This is the last thing that he could give to the WWE fandom, I know.
Speaker 2:Last year, wrestlemania. I know it's going to be not WrestleMania when this happens, but last year WrestleMania was Avengers. This Last year, wrestlemania was Avengers. This year with this storyline, it's going to be Star Wars.
Speaker 3:He's literally going to death. Rattle one last time to the fans and then walk off. I think that's how it plays.
Speaker 1:I can absolutely say it. What were you going to say, clay? Last thing so is Cena getting new music. What is his new music? Oh, hold on, I'm going to play it. Yeah, hold on.
Speaker 1:We're going to play Cena's new music. Wayne, I actually don't know if you can hear this. I'm kind of hoping you can, but this is going to be. I could see Cena doing this and shout out Noah, who's on the show, was trying to be here today but he couldn't get here. He was here last night watching the show with us and he is a childhood cena. He's like the perfect age that he like cena, is his dude. You know what I mean. That's his guy and he was like I've been waiting on this so long. He changed his profile picture to john cena this morning, um, but I legitimately think obviously he'll have to pick a starting point, but this song can't hear it. Just put it up soon. They wrote this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude, this is for the original Heel turn that was supposed to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, yeah, that's for the original heel turn. I think you're right. Yeah, and he's going to just use that music because I think that screeching could just be the intro, like the screeching, and he's a bad man and he just walks out to that. Are you kidding? I got literal. Look, I got goose. He Are you kidding I?
Speaker 2:got literal. Look, I got goose. He's talking about it. It's because you shave your arms like the rock.
Speaker 1:Hey, I heard my feelings Um final parting, parting thoughts before the bail. Anybody have anything?
Speaker 2:else I got something.
Speaker 1:Say it.
Speaker 2:We always talk about follow the figs.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so that's so funny, it's my youngest, my youngest, he started. It's so funny, it's so funny, my youngest.
Speaker 2:He's starting to collect the WWE Knuckle Crunchers, the smaller figures. Well, we were looking Cody Rhodes. You can't find a Cody Rhodes anywhere. You can't find one to save your life. They came out with a three-pack we didn't know about.
Speaker 1:It's the little ones Knuckle Crunchers.
Speaker 2:The three-pack probably been around for a month now. We didn't know it. The three-pack it's the little ones knuckle crunchers. Three-pack. Probably been around for a month now, we didn't know it. The three-pack is showing the picture. The three-pack is this and I'm gonna show you the picture john cena final boss that's the three-pack. It came out last week okay, look at the, look at the back of it.
Speaker 1:This is terrible podcasting. Wayne has seen everybody, but you has seen this picture. Terrible, terrible, wow, it's the worst podcasting, okay, okay. So let me explain what it is the knuckle crunchers, the toys. The three-pack that just came out last week is John Cena, final Boss Rock, final Boss Rock and Cody Rhodes is the three-pack. It comes with a bunch of weapons.
Speaker 1:That's insane. It comes with a bunch of weapons and on the back of it it shows the Rock and Cena standing over Cody hitting him with weapons. Yeah, on the back of it You're joking.
Speaker 3:Dude, I swear to God. Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 1:And then the thing Van Vliet shared, the thing this morning. Shout out, van Vliet, you don't have us on your podcast. He showed the thing this morning where last year Van Vliet was asking him about him and rock being healed and he was talking about the natural arc of any human.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was last November.
Speaker 1:Last November Crazy dude.
Speaker 3:He said I don't know how it does not happen. Oh good.
Speaker 1:I'm so here for all of it. I love it. Turn everybody heel. Wait, colt, colt, colt, I need him to close out the show. Yeah, colt's going to be here to close out the show. Okay, wyno, you got anything else?
Speaker 4:No, I'm fine.
Speaker 1:I'm not being in person. I want to make sure today You'll be here next time, and I want to make sure today this matters a lot today. Okay, try not to be Marks so bad. Ring the damn bell.
Speaker 4:Suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering, suffering. This is awesome, this is awesome. This is awesome.