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Ladies and gentlemen, I guess you're wondering why you're not hearing your normal intro music. The show and color podcast that you're used to is now work or shoot, a wrestling podcast. Wes is in studio, clay's here, yeet Monroe what's up, and then Key's in the booth quote unquote she is a yeet. We have taken over the show and color podcast. Work or shoot is now our main goal to figure out what's real and what's not, and thank you, ron Killings, for keeping kayfabe alive. We don't know. We don't know. That's what's great about it is we don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We'll never know.
Speaker 1:We'll never know. We're recording this. This is the Sunday night before the Raw, after Money in the Bank. So you're listening on. Yeah, after Money in the Bank. So you're listening on after Money in the Bank. And we went nuts last night. That's why we didn't record last night. We went crazy when the ending of Money in the Bank happened.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think, on top of that, probably the one wrestler I can think of that was probably fist pumping and screaming. That's how you do it. The Undertaker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure he was pumped. Yeah, I'm sure he was good. Clay was so excited. It was insane.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, we probably woke my mom up, we woke everybody up. Colt was like asleep. Basically we was like Colt. Look what it is.
Speaker 3:Wait, like asleep. Basically, he was like go look where it is. Wait, did someone yell out that it was Travis Scott when it first happened? Who was that? That was Evan. He's like it's Travis Scott. They're like it's Travis Scott.
Speaker 1:It's not Travis Scott, he would have come out, he would have said four letters, one word FEE.
Speaker 3:Come out with that sage.
Speaker 1:I thought that was awesome work. Or shoot R-Truth coming back. Clay, I think it's work. You think the whole thing's a work. That wasn't your word this morning this morning you said everything was a shoot. This morning you said everything was real and he really left. I don't know, because I I dug into it a little bit more and I didn't see nothing that backed that up with any other. I keep going back and looking on my phone and trying to find more stuff about it, but I just well, I don't know, man, it's, it's.
Speaker 3:Uh, it's really hard for me to see what's real and what's fake, and I'm not mad about it. This is where I want my wweb. It's wwf, you know again. Uh, with that being said, so many articles have came out being like quote unquote inside school and bro they said the same thing before he came out that they released them. So is Triple H leaking fake news and propaganda into you know the media to get them to report on that shit, like Meltzer and all them Meltzer. Shout out to Meltzer and all them Meltzer.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Dave Meltzer Five star match or is like I don't know. I love it, I love it. I think it makes sense for them to get Road Dogg to delete that tweet as fast as he did when he was saying his grievances about them firing him or releasing him. Sorry, because, like he posted it, then five minutes later it was gone. And they're like why do you do that? Do you get in trouble for it?
Speaker 3:and it added to the narrative yeah but I really think if it was a work and then he done that, they're dude, it's a work. And he's like oh, never mind. Deleted it, you know.
Speaker 1:Now here's why I think it was a shoot. Or here's why I thought it was a shoot the wrestlers from like the Miz and Rhea. They was playing along with everything.
Speaker 3:I mean the Miz saying creating an awesome truth with you. Let me say one thing about that. I'm going to piggyback on yours, like I did see that too, but one thing that made me think it was a work was naomi and jade's tweets on that. Naomi posted something about our truth and it said, um, I hate this. And then jade retweeted it what naomi said. And then they said I actually hate this more than I hate you then, she wrote back.
Speaker 3:It's like I hate this more than I hate you too, and that was like, nah, they wouldn't do that or make kind of like a joke about it, unless it wasn't serious and then the interview with uh um rachel.
Speaker 1:Was it, rachel? Which one of it? Which one of them backstage?
Speaker 4:kelly, I don't know the backstage girl who cried kathy, kathy, kelly, right, no, no, no, uh, yeah, that is her.
Speaker 1:That is her, that is her. Kathy is her, that is her. Kathy Kelly Okay, well, she was crying, yeah, that's also why it could be a shoot, yeah.
Speaker 3:They also don't let people know too on some things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true. To get reactions. Yeah, that's why they don't tell the announcers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like the announcers. Yeah, like the announcers, like your girl that is no longer part of the crew, samantha. Samantha, she to throw it back to when the Rock came back that first time to be the final boss Rock, that whole reaction they filmed of her, that was all a real reaction. He had no idea. The rock was coming.
Speaker 1:So that's like Alright. So we're here to determine what's real and what's not. I was just saying to get her reaction. I know I'm adding into that we're here to determine what's real and what's not. You know what is real, what's not?
Speaker 3:Right, you know what is real. What Rey Mysterio's facial hair.
Speaker 1:Rey Mysterio's facial hair. He looked awesome. He looked sick. He looked so good with the little goatee. You didn't see it, did you, Monroe? You know what?
Speaker 3:Luke said he's got a little goatee under the. You know what Luke said. What that's true. He's in his head thinking he's going to team up with Dom and become a heel with him.
Speaker 1:So I was telling Monroe and we were having a little pre-podcast conversation to get the juices flowing. All of our information comes from people who get their information from somebody else. Yep, you know what I mean. So by the time we even get our information comes from people who get their information from somebody else.
Speaker 1:Yep, you know what I mean. So by the time we even get our information, it's not insider, it's like third party, it's a game of telephone, yeah, and how much of that stuff. I know the Triple H had to say what he said after the show. No matter what, no matter what happened, he had to say that. He had to say that that was part of the plan.
Speaker 3:I like the little smirk he gave though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, personally I and I have been steadfast in this I will say I did waver for a moment. I wavered for just a moment because I started to think you guys pulled me in and you guys had me just a little bit. Just a moment, because I started to think you, you guys pulled me in and you guys had me just a little bit. But I've never really wavered. That I think the whole thing is a work. I think we're all marks. I don't think any of it was unplanned. I think the rock stuff was planned. I think I don't think there's been swerves. I don't think they're. I don't. I know they're saying that there's been swerves, but I've never actually heard Triple H say that they swerved.
Speaker 3:No, you're right. He's never said it, the only person that said that they swerved was the Rock when they did that WrestleMania show. And that's on brand for him yeah, that's on brand Because he don't know.
Speaker 1:He acts like he don't know what's going on. The only thing and we've been over this on our on, on, you know, our former selves, the, the podcast, formerly known as show in color we we've been. We've talked about this before and how I feel about the rock and how you feel about the rock.
Speaker 3:We're just going to reiterate how we feel because we talked about it before, yeah, but with that being said, before I get to the rock thing, I just think, even if this was all part of the plan and I've read articles, yeah, where it's a little insensitive to the wrestlers that actually got released yeah, I agree um, if it was all planned, if it was all planned.
Speaker 1:yeah, I agree, and that would be kind of crazy and it'd be like a fake firing right, yeah.
Speaker 2:What if it's just the killing of his name R-Truth and he's coming back as Ron Keeling?
Speaker 1:Okay. So we have to think of this. Okay, we have to remember he never actually even got released, right, and he never actually his contract never actually expired, his contract, least right and he never actually his contract never actually expired. His contract was due to expire, so he just signed a new contract as ron killings. Yeah, I mean, I don't, we don't know that either. That's what I'm saying. We don't know that either. Only thing I see that can't be true, what I'm saying can't be true, because I can't say that's true and still believe it's all work yeah, the only thing I saw was they were offering it's clay yeah.
Speaker 3:They kept saying they were offering him contracts. The only one that finally closed on the contract with him was actually Khan.
Speaker 2:I seen that Daddy Khan was the one that convinced him to come back.
Speaker 4:That's what I saw.
Speaker 2:He called him personally.
Speaker 3:That's what I saw too. Khan was the one to get him to sign another contract to give him his last hurrah.
Speaker 2:But I could see it's the killing of R-Truth and this coming out as Ron Keeling so he can use that name.
Speaker 3:That's what he was in TNA. That's what he was when he first started.
Speaker 2:He can use that name in the indies. He can use it in anything as Ron Keeling. I think that's why they just moved it.
Speaker 3:And TNA's already showed interest, wanting him back, and WWE has a you know forge with TNA, for lack of a better word, so he could just go be on TNA with the Hardys.
Speaker 1:I wish we had an oh Hi, mark button right now. We all mark so hard. I do want to point out that when we were when we were, when we were thinking about rebranding the podcast right, we were considering two things. We were considering what we finally settled on work or shoot or we were considering my name is mark, because I don't know if anybody paid attention or not, but we pretty much just fantasy book on this podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We really just come up with what we think everything should do. But you know, that's what's fun about it.
Speaker 3:I was four for five with my predictions last night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were four for five, I think, clay, we missed. We missed Cody and Jay.
Speaker 3:But I did say that, cody or not Cody, I did say that John and Logan were going to get an argument, yeah, and cost them something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we thought that, though I mean. So let's rewind back and let's go to. Let's talk about Main Event just for a second. We don't have to pull the card up. We're just talking about Main Event and a lot of the cool stuff that happened at Main Event.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I mean I feel like, okay, round two work or shoot WWE been on the decline. What do you mean? What I mean is, if the R-Truth thing is a work, then WWE being crappy lately is also a work. Yeah, Okay, and so, ultimately, what this comes down to is the unseen 17 greatest of all time. John said no we knew what we were doing look at us.
Speaker 3:It was beautiful we said it at the same time, it was gorgeous in sync bye, bye, bye uh.
Speaker 4:He's ruined wrestling, he said he was gonna do it.
Speaker 1:He did it Like he did it. Wes was watching it last night and Wes was like I hate the way he's wrestling, or it was just like I hate what he does now and I was like bro.
Speaker 3:So he's doing what he's supposed to do. It's just, it's boring to me.
Speaker 1:I know, dude, that's what he's supposed to do. That's where we're at with it. I just You're missing the mark, Mark.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I'm still going to say that the Rock came back Work or shoot, WWE sucks. Oh, that's a work.
Speaker 1:It's a work, but the whole.
Speaker 3:I still like my whole theory about the Rock came back with a plan and screwed up all their storylines and he's like, no, this one's going to work. And then all of a sudden he just disappeared again because someone else paid him more money and John was like, oh shit.
Speaker 1:I'm going to turn him down. I think that's a work, it's all a work. Do it, man, do it. Oh it's beautiful. Wayne's not here. There had to be some trash. Oh, that's beautiful, wayne's not here. There had to be some trash going on, yeah. So I mean, I just think, I just think Cena knows what he's doing, and I think the fact that he's able to have this creative pathway to work through everything is just beautiful. I love everything he's doing. I can't wait till we get to see him, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Also.
Speaker 1:LA Knight no show in the money, in the money, the bank, yeah, let's let. I wish we had a moment of silence music. Insert moment of silence music here for la, not because his career is gone, you call me a mark.
Speaker 3:No, oh, this is the third money, the bank in a row. He's qualified for that. He's lost.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and this one was worse. He wasn't even in it.
Speaker 3:No, he's in it for five minutes.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess at the end they kind of teased him winning it right. Not really, though he never really even had his hands on it, did he?
Speaker 3:No, on draw day it was closer. Oh my God, yeah it was all for that.
Speaker 2:It was all for Fajita.
Speaker 1:Solo. Yeah, the funniest thing About that match Is the best part About that match Was the guy who wasn't even in it.
Speaker 3:I thought it was. There's a. I didn't. We missed it. We we Kind of just like Missed the part. But there was a part when Andrade was Out of the ring Right and who was it? But someone had a ladder. It was Americano, had a ladder, hit him in the head with it. Right when he hit him with the head with it he let go of it accidentally and dropped it for a second and it nailed Andrade right in the freaking nuts while he was on the ground.
Speaker 3:Pat called it out too. Everyone was like someone should go check on him. He was selling the headshot. Then, once he got the other headshot, you could see the actual pain. He was down for the count.
Speaker 1:Pat called it out Andrade's awesome. He's been great. I think he's been great. Everyone he's in, he's been awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He does great all the time and I wish they put one of the little titles on him.
Speaker 3:He's doing better without being in the Flair family. I know you, flair family, I know You're right Feuding with Dom Lucha versus Lucha. That'd be so fun. I think he's going to get more matches, though, because of the whole AAA thing.
Speaker 1:Work or shoot. Karrion Kross is dead. Shoot. Yeah, I think it's a shoot. Shoot yeah I think unfortunately for us. Did you see my sign of the? Week, it's the push Karrion Kross sign. It was on TV for about 30 milliseconds. They lifted it up and it said push, carry and cross. They switched the camera and when they come back that sign was gone.
Speaker 3:Yo, listen, those camera angles were shit, they sucked, they missed like four spots.
Speaker 1:Sorry for cussing. They missed four spots. Remember they missed the Chad Gable flip to the outside.
Speaker 3:They missed the super spear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh no, it was a good show, though they did miss the super spear. We had five total spears last night, I think Six, six total spears, which is still down from the last pay-per-view. Counting our truth. Counting our truth. We're not deciding if that's a spear or a Luthas press. Michael Cole said a spear. Michael Cole said it was a spear yeah it was six spears, six spears.
Speaker 3:Who said six.
Speaker 1:That still brings us down from. Did you say six?
Speaker 3:No, I said three, lucas said six.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I said nine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that still brings us down from the last pay-per-view, which was like one from Jacob and then four from Jay.
Speaker 4:Jay didn't hit that many?
Speaker 1:I don't think. I think he randomly did Jay's randomly come to people who are running at him and he'll reverse into a super kick.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and he does that a lot.
Speaker 1:I know Jacob hit one.
Speaker 3:I just we had a lot of people missing that I figured would have done a spot, like I know. We had surprise guests come in and interfere, but I, I know Zelina wasn't there Cause we talked about it, it was the. Apparently it's like Puerto Rican weekend in New York, like big celebration. So she's been on all the floats and with the title. But you know, with with Naomi winning. But you know, with with Naomi winning like she did spoilers. Um, where's Bianca? Or was Jade? That's her main two that she's feuding with? They were not there at all. Um, things like that.
Speaker 1:So now Bianca is definitely getting a title right.
Speaker 3:Oh, Bianca is going to be EO and then Naomi is going to cash in Mm Um.
Speaker 4:Bianca's definitely getting a title right?
Speaker 1:Oh, bianca's going to be EO and then Naomi's going to cash in. Mm-hmm. Okay, hug on, do it, do it Work or shoot cash in tomorrow. Wait, that didn't make sense. Oh, do we think there's going to?
Speaker 3:be a cash in tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Prediction, prediction.
Speaker 3:I hope not.
Speaker 1:I really hope not. I hope we have like a full blast, like Tiffy wait a year? Well, no, I'm talking about the Gunther and Jay match, because they made. They made that up two, three weeks ago. Seth is going for yeah, I mean I could see that that'd be crazy. Though it would be crazy, that'd be insane that'd be crazy.
Speaker 3:The one thing I keep going back to is when old dusty here was talking about massive reset with the whole storylines, and I can't help but to think, if they're going to do a massive reset, you let cody beat cena at the last second of his last appearance and then, once you're like, oh, we've got it back, q burn it down yeah, I like that too.
Speaker 1:That's. That's what me and you were talking about earlier.
Speaker 3:I think Seth's gonna turn it on his head and the only reason I'm saying that is because they're pitting him and riding him in as this person that has called every moment before it happens. And if he starts calling that moment saying I'm going to get that belt, he's going to cash in once Cena loses it.
Speaker 1:Not to just jump off this, but work or shoot. La Yesca is the best animal since the Cobra in wrestling. And La Yesca is work. It's the iguana. Oh, it's the mysterious iguana. It's the iguana, ain't he awesome Dude? When he licked that guy's hand, like when he went to shake his hand and he, like, reached down, he reached his face down to lick his hand I was like that's the coolest thing I've ever seen anybody do.
Speaker 2:Did you see La Yesca get hit with the Spanish fly? I did see that.
Speaker 1:The standing Spanish fly to La Yesca. That's the best part. I mean work.
Speaker 4:I gotta work a shit.
Speaker 1:He's gonna be be, which is so funny because he's so Ridiculous. It's the most ridiculous gimmick, but when he crawled into the ring people lost their mind.
Speaker 2:It was crazy.
Speaker 1:I know, dude, it was crazy. I thought it was going to be a real iguana. Well, he takes pictures with a real iguana.
Speaker 3:Work or shoot, wwe flexing on all of AAA. Oh, it was a work, work or shoot, wwe flexing on all of AAA.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was a work, no, it's a shoot. It's a shoot. I definitely think they're burying some dudes in AAA, flexing, showing they run the whole damn thing and then still giving them the credit that's due. But also, we bought you and Santino Morella. They literally took Santino Morella, made him immediate match with Vikingo, who was barely able to come back and wrestle yet because he was hurt bad and he only gave up the title because he was hurt. When he gave up the title, santino Morella won it and he was just holding the title until he came back and Vikingo beat Santino Morello. And Santino Morello is not even mentioned. They said El Vikingo won the title last weekend is all they said. They didn't even say his name, they didn't even say Morello's name.
Speaker 3:Not.
Speaker 1:Santino Morello. Try again. Kyj. Try again KYJ. Worker, shoot Wes sending dad AW links to his PLEs. So I do have to call Wes out that now. We both did this this week. But I'm going to tell you, when Ron got released, we were fucking off WWE. I'm telling you we were not sorry for cussing, we were off it. We were so mad and we were talking about how AEW is going to do so good and AEW is going to do great. And me and Wes were talking about me and Wes were talking about AEW shows.
Speaker 3:We were talking about it because we were like they're going to make WWE get better.
Speaker 1:Well, Hangman is going to be Moxley, because we're like they're going to make WWE get better. Well, Hangman is going to be Moxley.
Speaker 2:Mox has been to WWE. Mox has become.
Speaker 3:WWE as Moxley. Can you just imagine that?
Speaker 1:When he shows up with Roman. You think he's going to show up with Roman.
Speaker 4:That'd be dirty In my head.
Speaker 1:I was thinking he'd show up and join Seth, but I guess he shows up with Roman. You think he's gonna show up with roman? Yo, oh, that'd be dirty. I think he's. I thought he was in my head. I was thinking he'd show up and join seth, but I guess he shows up with roman. That'd be hard that'd be awesome.
Speaker 3:Wednesday there's a summer blockbuster yes, four hour event, four hour on hbo max. Yeah, hbo max, we can actually watch it there's swerve versus osprey yeah with vs Ospreay is going to be a good match.
Speaker 1:No matter what you do, you don't like to dance.
Speaker 3:No, I like to dance.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of off Swerve when he took the staple to the tongue. I think it's AEW's fault that you're off Swerve, though?
Speaker 3:No, it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's what I'm talking about If he good enough to be in WWE Swear. I mean, I know he was.
Speaker 3:He's good enough to be in NXT? I think so too. Yeah, oh, he was right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Speaking of that, Mariah May. Oh yeah, Mariah May.
Speaker 1:Work or shoot. So it's funny that I guess I don't understand. I guess I don't understand how AEW books their talent and I assume it's from lack of storylines but she come off a huge program with Toni Storm, like a gigantic program, like a year, right yeah, of Toni beating her her and her becoming and her becoming tony and tony becoming
Speaker 1:her and then tony becoming her, and then and tifani calling her a bitch tony becoming her old self and then coming back as her yeah herself again saying it was the best performance for a lifetime, which I do want to point out again. I'd like to say that that is the best aw storyline of all time. It was very good. It was very good. We thought it was bad. Remember how bad we thought it was. We were like this is terrible what they're doing with her. And then we've seen, when she released, when like that dynamite or whatever her, she was like surprise, I'm the best actress you've ever seen and we were like shit, that's pretty good um.
Speaker 3:Their contracts are different yeah, they're like indie contracts. They get paid whether they wrestle or not. Yeah.
Speaker 1:They sign. They're like not indie contracts but sports contracts.
Speaker 3:That's why Osprey always says he hates WWE and he gives them hell. It's because WWE refuses to do that kind of contract. Well, they're not wrong.
Speaker 1:He's not wrong about that. That's a real thing in WWE is that they want contracts like AEW. That's why all those dudes went. That's why the Elite started AEW is because WWE has the wrestle like per-wrestle contracts and AEW has, like we sign you for four years, $10 million. That's what you make, no matter how much you wrestle.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what you're getting. Paid is, four years, $10 million. That's why they have 10 matches on cards, though, because everybody wrestles.
Speaker 3:That's also why you never see Jericho, I wonder what his salary is.
Speaker 2:Let him go home. Let him go home. I think he is, though I think he is the hell is Jack Perry.
Speaker 1:It's real glass man. Craig Horton Clay's no idea what's going on. We're talking about AEW. He sounds out when we talk about AEW. You know a little bit about it, though You're following it now. Okay, what'd you think about the women's money in the bank match?
Speaker 3:I actually liked it.
Speaker 1:Who took the biggest spot? Naomi, nay Nay, yeah, who took the biggest spot, naomi?
Speaker 3:Nai, nai, yeah, who took the biggest botch?
Speaker 1:Nai Nai no, who was the biggest botch?
Speaker 3:It was Julia and Roxanne trying to slam that ladder down on Rhea.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't know if it was a language barrier or what? Yeah, it was bad Because Julia can't speak English. How about?
Speaker 1:Steph doing the devil's kiss on the ladder On the ladder. That was good and she wrestled three times in 24 hours.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:She wrestled SmackDown and AAA and Money in the Bank.
Speaker 2:That's why that booty is so firm, no SmackDown, my bad I was like what yeah?
Speaker 3:I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:Wes, do you want to talk about your least favorite female wrestler, Roxanne Perez? Roxanne.
Speaker 3:I don't give a shit. Keep that red light on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he thinks A she's not attractive and B Okay, this dude's crazy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a hot, terribly one that thinks that he's the only person on earth that don't think he's attractive.
Speaker 1:No, no, don't come in with the 14-year-old crap. Don't come in with the pedo conversation. I wasn't. I was going to just direct it towards the 14 year old in the room. If the 14 year old thinks she's attractive, but then the grown men think she's attractive also.
Speaker 3:I just don't think she's attractive. She's just not what I'm into. Hey, also, though, you're agreeing with Clay, I said Clay is attracted to her because she's 14. You're attracted to her because she looks Asian.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's probably racist. All in agreeance, mommy's always on top.
Speaker 3:Yep Always. You forget. There was three goth bombings in that ring last night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but really only one.
Speaker 2:There's a close second. There's a close second.
Speaker 1:There's a close second, but Rhea is number one. She's Rhea. Yeah, she's Rhea Bloody Ripley.
Speaker 3:Back to Roxanne.
Speaker 1:Roxanne Turn off the red light.
Speaker 4:Roxanne Turn off the red light.
Speaker 3:Why do we have to do this every episode? Because you act this way. This is the first episode ever in the show, sorry.
Speaker 1:Work or shoot. Work or shoot Clyde's not here. Work or shoot Wine's fired.
Speaker 3:I think she's young. She has a little bit more experience she needs to get wrestling-wise Experience.
Speaker 1:You need some more experience.
Speaker 3:We're going to wrangle the experience. Hey, cly Clay, I feel like Stephanie can out-wrestle her. Let's talk about what you like.
Speaker 1:LFG.
Speaker 4:And you, like that debut, missed that, jasper Troy.
Speaker 1:Jasper Troy. Yeah, debuted you seen him with Jasper Troy? Big dude. Looks like the Undertaker Wrest Casper Joy Big dude. Looks like the Undertaker Wrestled a jobber day one.
Speaker 4:Now he's getting an NXT title opportunity against Oba Oba. Oba's going to crush him.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't say crush, but he'll beat him.
Speaker 3:He'll beat him. Don't shit on jobbers. You're going to be one of those one day.
Speaker 1:What about?
Speaker 3:a, that's your ticket in.
Speaker 1:Mariah May still, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Not Mariah May Steele or whatever. Not Mariah May Steele. Is she still Mariah May or is she Mariah Mark, name changing depending on debut?
Speaker 1:No, the girl from.
Speaker 2:LFG. Yeah, but her name's not Mariah May Steele.
Speaker 1:Something May Steele, something May Steele.
Speaker 3:Was that the one that you were like she's supposed to debut? I was like, dude, she debuted like two days ago.
Speaker 1:I didn't say that, but she debuted and we ain't finished LFG because there's so many commercials that we can't get through everything.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's on A&E. Right, it's on A&E yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a lot Also commercials.
Speaker 3:We don't like commercials.
Speaker 1:It's not an argument whether it's a work or a shoot, that the commercials all suck. All right, everybody on the internet's losing their mind and we're all about to lose our minds. Yeah, that smackdown, dude, smackdown, is three hours and I swear to god it's two hours of commercials. We had to watch it on uh cable, I guess. Usa yeah, we watch on the usa network instead of youtube tv. It is so bad we have to watch it live and it's at least 20 minutes.
Speaker 1:You can't fast forward or rewind on the USA network because we don't have YouTube TV. Someone share YouTube TV with us, so we can watch wrestling. Please, please, worker shoot, worker shoot. You do not give me YouTube TV.
Speaker 4:You do not you have.
Speaker 1:YouTube TV.
Speaker 3:Since when and you're just now telling us that could have been?
Speaker 1:so helpful, Bro. We've been struggling to watch Smackdown every Friday night. We struggled for like 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:And they play that stupid-ass music that puts us to sleep, Dude oh my God, that's so real.
Speaker 1:Anybody please comment on this video if you have also fell asleep to the different colored circles on the USA Network. All the time, dude, the music goes and we're just like Clay's, like Dad, dad, poking each other the whole time. I hate three-hour SmackDown, bro.
Speaker 3:I love wrestling, but Jesus man, it's so long, especially when the first hour sucks. They were supposed to change it this month and now they're saying that they're not going to change it at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to be three hours to the foreseeable future.
Speaker 3:Holy hell, change it at all. Yeah, it's going to be three hours to the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1:Holy hell, oh, she blamed. I've said everything else, but I cannot say she, she's saying that was, she's saying that one's there, so what, we have coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 3:well, tonight, will be Monday night.
Speaker 1:Rawlins, jane Gunther and I have to be honest with you guys, I don't really know who is on Raw and who is on SmackDown, because it's kind of Walt, everybody's everywhere. They've been switching back and forth.
Speaker 2:I do not think it matters it does not.
Speaker 3:Did they say they were not going to have a draft this year? Walt, everybody's everywhere. They've been switching back and forth. I do not think it matters. It does not. Did they say they were not going to have a draft this year? Yeah, they're not having one.
Speaker 1:I thought I heard that, but I also thought I heard they were having a draft Work or shoot. I don't know Work or you know work or shoot. Tko is taking over and making the product diluted with too much work shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. It goes change you at one. You know all right, I think you get confused about work and shoot like shoot real. Oh you, you, you, just your brain don't process it. I, I got scared you got scared. I want you to give your real opinion.
Speaker 1:We can't all just sit around sit around saying it's all the real, real opinions.
Speaker 3:Here's my argument about that and we've talked about this before. We talked about it with movies with franchises, um, the, the superman, batman, movies like the dc universe. That failed, you know with those movies.
Speaker 3:At one point in time everybody was all for him, until that first one bombed and then and then, because warner brothers owned it, they were like immediately put their fingers in it so hard that it destroyed the whole thing. They're like oh, we understand that this is supposed to be your vision, but we don't want it that way anymore. So I feel like that's what TKO is kind of starting to do with Paul Levesque.
Speaker 2:I read that Paul Triple H Levesque will be out within the next 18 months. Yeah, that's what I heard.
Speaker 3:Also seen. Vince McMahon sold 250,000 of his shares, or something of TKO that he still had. Back to TKO, back to TKO.
Speaker 2:Vince ain't coming back. No, he's not coming back.
Speaker 1:The reason this show exists is for this it's so great because we don't know we have, we have no
Speaker 3:clue. We have no idea. One thing still we do know bailey's got a fatty bailey got a fatty where's she yeah, that never mattered I got a word for her.
Speaker 1:I heard she's getting back in shape. Yeah, I've seen.
Speaker 4:I've seen like workout vids or whatever comical workout I vids.
Speaker 3:I thought she was going to return. Like it's not.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, even if she, whether she comes back in shape or not, she's still going to have a fatty Work. Or shoot zoe stark going off on kairi sane for being out of place and blowing her knee out did you see that?
Speaker 3:you said it was ai that was ai.
Speaker 1:That was ai. I know god, that's how west got got by, it by the way west got got by, he said to me and was like bro, she's so pissed and I was. How can you not tell that was ai? I don't know, I don't live on the internet. He doom scrolls all day, man. He sees a lot of videos. He just sends them. He was like. He was like. I was like uh, he's like, that's like, dude, you got got. And he's like are you sure? Uh, she's too pretty yeah, you're right she looked too pretty in it.
Speaker 1:She also doesn't look like she just came off ACL surgery also, I think she's done though oh, I do think she's done. I'll be surprised if she wrestles again. I think she was probably going to get released anyway she will be all elite, she'll be good there she smells like all elite wrestling. I think Karrion Kross will dominate with Matt Cardona somewhere oh, that's true.
Speaker 2:he could think TNA. Yeah, oh, that's true.
Speaker 4:He could dominate TNA.
Speaker 1:If he did go to AW, he'd dominate down there, he's too good for AW. Well, he's forgetting, though he had a few with Bobby, he did but he as a person, I mean he can out-wrestle, yeah.
Speaker 4:As a person, I mean he can out-wrestle, but as a person with story, he is a die-hard storyteller.
Speaker 3:And he knows AEW does not do stories and they would not let him be himself, they would not let him do a year-long story.
Speaker 1:How about Bobby just leaving and the Street Profits become champions? Yeah, I think that was. I don't know if that was because Bobby left or they were like hey, Bobby, look what we're going to do now that you're gone. We're going to give him these. Yeah, I mean Bobby leaving was good. He's driving an AW, though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he's made mjf his bitch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so sad, poor mjf yeah hey, boys, bring him, bring him I'm gonna have to bring him over.
Speaker 3:Bring him, come on over.
Speaker 1:We'll feud him with cody and punk. Oh yeah, that was hot. Him feuding with punk would be awesome.
Speaker 3:Get some blood rip dame damian priest, I don't think it's a rip yet, because we talked about this last night that ria posted a big thing about missing her terror twin well, who, all, who all do we think could be in trouble.
Speaker 1:Then right, like priest is on tv. I got it. Me is Cross, me is no, I'm not. Yeah, shinsuke, no.
Speaker 4:No, I'm off. No, I'm not Shinsuke, I'm off Shinsuke getting released.
Speaker 1:I think that's dead. I think Shinsuke was in the background the other night.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was. I think he's going to keep doing that.
Speaker 1:He was. Alba Fire, alba fire, it's gotta be one or two females. I think alba fire, whenever she gets done with the program, with, with tf, with um chelsea, I don't like her being in there, yeah, but I mean it's you know b-fab the secret service does b-fab wrestle? Yeah, with me chin I'm putting her at the top of the list of people to drop Meechan. Yeah, with Meechan, they're not going to release Meechan.
Speaker 3:I don't think no, I'm just saying that they've been sticking her with Meechan.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like as tag teams Do, they release?
Speaker 1:the Chase U guys.
Speaker 3:They released one of them.
Speaker 1:They released the guy Duke Hudson, the big guy. The big guy is who they released. I think they're not going to release the other dude.
Speaker 3:He's too old the tall guy they released from Duke because they literally said he was in his late 30's and he never moved up. Well, they split up, didn't they?
Speaker 1:Chase. What's his name? Chase? What? Andre Chase, andre Chase.
Speaker 3:Basically, they were just saying hey, you've had this many years and you've never evolved, You're just spinning your tires.
Speaker 1:Andre Chase will get called up at some point.
Speaker 3:I hope he does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's good. D'angelo too I'm so hot on D'Angelo In NXT. I'm so hot on him doing everything. He's great. Gay yeah. The Miz yeah, His tweet about pipe bombing. Basically, worker shoot that's a shoot Pipe bombing. Well, he kind of went off.
Speaker 3:He kind of went off Do you really think if all this is a work, all of this is all planned? Do you really think that Truth, who, him and Truth go back as far as Triple H and Truth that he wouldn't let him in on it? To make sure he didn't do something like that in real life. And the fact that Carlito's dead, like actually dead, carlito's dead because he announced it, because he announced it yeah.
Speaker 3:That was a big no-no Because R-Truth announcing it, even if it was a work, if it was a shoot, r-truth announcing it his storyline was done already. But it's a big no-no for Carlito because Carlito had two more weeks on his contract and he had two more weeks of storyline that he needed to do.
Speaker 1:I think the R-Truth thing is a work. I think it was a work that was kept secret and I think because of it, it caused.
Speaker 3:Carlito. It caused Carlito and I think because of it it caused Carly. It caused Carly, no, it caused, I think, people overreacted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean, but I don't think there's any way that can feel real If you tell anybody also like punk showing up. There's no way. The reaction of punk showing up like worker shoot Seth Rollins hating punk when punk showed up at survivor series oh, that's a shoot. Yeah, 100%. I still always believe that's a shoot, shoot, yeah, but you know, like Paul says, it's all part of the show.
Speaker 3:I just feel bad for Judgment Day, because Carlito took the PS5 with him, did he?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's hilarious, they're not going to be playing 2K. I honestly think Jordan Grace who they're not doing anything with her now. Who, jordan Grace?
Speaker 4:Is that?
Speaker 1:The big girl.
Speaker 4:The big girl from TNA, from TNA yeah.
Speaker 1:And Lola Voss.
Speaker 3:Well, they had a match though. Yeah, she's still relevant.
Speaker 1:Jordan Grace yeah, Jordan and Lola had a match.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:For the title, I mean no Jordan. No, for the title, I mean no Jordan. And Soruka.
Speaker 3:Soruka yeah, yeah, she's the right now For the title. Lola Weiss. I felt sorry for her when she came out during AAA.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think she's relevant at all, but I think that was supposed to be Selena Vega and she was busy with Puerto Rico Day, yeah, but like her coming out and like literally everybody was just straight face staring at her, no one clapped, no one done nothing.
Speaker 3:And then she got in the ring and did her little dance and no one reacted at all and I was like God, this is awful. And then everybody lost their shit. When Stephanie Vakar came out the biggest pop there was that night and I was like you got to feel like shit to come out and not hear anything. And then her come out and the whole place erupted.
Speaker 1:It was the biggest pop until R-Truth came back. It was, it was. I still just don't know, and I love that.
Speaker 3:I don't know, right, because We'll never know, I love that, you love that, you don't know.
Speaker 1:I know right, I mean really though, yeah, really. So I love that. You love that. You don't know.
Speaker 1:I know right, I mean really though, yeah, really. So I think, just watching like simon, like simon miller's, one of my favorite youtubers that I watch a lot of his wrestling stuff and what he always says always resonates with me and I try to remember it whenever I'm being a hater or, you know, being harsh about something, is that everybody consumes wrestling different and everybody likes wrestling for a different reason, and and something whatever makes you happy about wrestling isn't necessarily the same thing. That is, that everybody consumes wrestling different and everybody likes wrestling for a different reason. And whatever makes you happy about wrestling isn't necessarily the same thing that makes me happy about wrestling. And that's what makes it awesome, though the stuff that I love to see you don't necessarily love, like the Roxanne Perez thing, you don't necessarily like to see her wrestle. I don't necessarily like to see Damian Priest wrestle, but some people do. I don't like to see Damien Priest wrestle, but some people do, you know, I don't.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm going to say. You're full of shit About what? Because anytime I say anything You're like. It's okay for you to have an opinion, but it's the wrong opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, but really I do think Everybody enjoying wrestling the way they want to enjoy wrestling and the type of wrestling that you enjoy, dude, for me triple a. I would watch worlds collide that if that was the only pay-per-view in existence. Oh yeah, I'm totally good with it. That was the most exciting, most fun because then when there's mistakes and moves and quote-unquote botches and moves, they're like so extreme because they're doing such insane stuff someone's dying.
Speaker 2:That it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It looks like somebody died Because El Valkingo against Gable was so good and let's give Gable some flowers that he was awesome wrestling with him. It was so great and he was doing nuts stuff Also. Maybe it was Wano who said let's put some. No, it was you. Give Lillian Garcia her flowers, was it you?
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was me.
Speaker 1:Sung the national anthem.
Speaker 3:She did all the announcing in Spanish Clay didn't like her. Because Clay's not part of that generation.
Speaker 1:Clay doesn't like. Well, Clay missed his girl. He's a. Clay's going to forever miss his girl because Ricochet took her away. Ricochet made her all elite and he's sad about it, rip, aren't you Clay? He just saw her playing with his belt. It's all sad.
Speaker 3:And now she is just like Ricochet and blaming Nobody knows where she's at. No, she's just like ricochet like she posted, like they. They posted her official music video and it wasn't getting a flack. So she went on all social media, just like her husband, and started blaming the algorithms yeah, ricochet hates on everybody and she was hating on youtube and she's like it. It's the algorithms. They shadow banned me and everyone was like no, I think the video just sucks. You're dancing provocatively with a flute.
Speaker 1:I don't think you're shadow banned. I don't think anybody likes you. Sad, she was okay. Anyway, yeah, I don't want to see Karrion Kross leave. He's my favorite and it's going to suck. Wwe website did some weird things with the Ron Cena shirts that we tried to order. That's why we thought that the release was real. Still might have been real. I got to check the website. I've still not checked it.
Speaker 3:I haven't checked it currently. Let me check live. I'm glad that we got you know.
Speaker 1:If you guys want to explain what shirt it is.
Speaker 3:Well, it is the Ron Cena shirt.
Speaker 1:Ron Cena.
Speaker 3:It is the best shirt that I've ever came out with.
Speaker 1:Oh look, Now we got processing. Estimated arrival July 3rd.
Speaker 3:Okay, it's coming.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if they just stalled it or. Oh man, what's real, what's not. Well, that's what I'm saying Work or shoot baby.
Speaker 3:It's hard to say like wonder if it's a work or shoot. Because even if it's a work, them pulling that shirt off the website is still like them losing money of work, them pulling that shirt off the website.
Speaker 1:It's still like, yeah, them losing money, like I get. I get like all the I get all the talk about it being uh, a shoot right, about him really leaving. I understand how that, that's how it is and that's how it seems. It's just hard. It's just hard for me to believe that the company's that reactive and that quickly. I don't know. I think it's the same thing as the we want Cody signs. I think that's WWE planted. I think that's a work all the way. I'm always going to think that's a work. He goes back to the National Scholar.
Speaker 3:Hall.
Speaker 1:What do you got? What is that? Oh, is that Iguana man?
Speaker 3:shirts Mr Iguana WWE shop.
Speaker 1:Oh really they. Just what is that? Oh, is that iguana man shirt? Iguana wwe shop.
Speaker 3:Oh really, they just put that on there that's awesome, bro, that's gonna sell like crazy it throws it back to you saying you know, you don't know if it's a work or shoot with the cody thing, it might have always been a work. It makes me. It makes me think about when nash and scott kept showing up at wcw and people not knowing if it was a work or shoot, because they were thinking that they were just showing up, as you know national, yeah, razor.
Speaker 3:And because they didn't say anything, they were just there waving yeah, or they they'd sit down and be like we got tickets and like they were just causing shit, or if they finally grabbed a mic, they were like you know who we are, but they would never say their names.
Speaker 1:Reason they couldn't say their names because they were copyrighted it feels so much like that era and I give that wrestling has to have a lull. It has ups and downs, ebbs and flows, just like life, like everything. So I know we kind of feel like we're in a flow Again. That's because John Cena's running wrestling. He's done what he said he was going to do, but you know that's whatever and that's neither here nor there. Before we finish, we need to do, we need to talk about what was the other match in the Money, in the Bank? Oh, the Dom and Pentagon.
Speaker 4:Yeah, what's the one we didn't talk?
Speaker 1:about Octagon. Octagon, that was interesting that we found out. Octagon Jr it was interesting we found out about Octagon and Pentagon, about their feud and Penta yeah, he's supposed to be.
Speaker 3:Pentagon Jr.
Speaker 1:He's supposed to be Pentagon Jr's evil twin, octagon Jr is, which is super cool. That's why I love Mexican wrestling. That's nice. That's why I love Mexican wrestling.
Speaker 3:It's like spy versus spy, I think it's so cool I still can't get out of my head. Anytime we talk about Penta, it's just the camera on him during that interview they're talking about Dom. He's like he's so stupid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he hates him. Yeah, he hates him. That's my favorite, Clay. What are you doing? I've seen something on Adam Pearce for a card tomorrow. Oh yeah, yeah, we were trying to get the card to find out what's going on tomorrow other than the go through through J match that's going to get a cash in.
Speaker 4:It's at least going to have an attempted.
Speaker 1:Cena's supposed to be there tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yep Doesn't even make any sense. I have no idea, but that's what they said.
Speaker 1:He's supposed to be there at Smackdown Friday too, because Monday's and that's when it wasn't.
Speaker 2:I thought it was Friday tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Friday's definitely, and Lexington Friday Mm-hmm, because it's Smackdowns and Lexington Friday and Cena's there, yeah, which is awesome Because he's going to have a blue and white checkered tail. Yes, blue and white UK shirt, like no joke.
Speaker 3:I was trying to think yeah, Luke's want one.
Speaker 1:I was trying to think it's going to say what the last time is now and I was trying to figure out how he's going to implement like because I don't know if he'll do Kentucky you know because he's going to do Cats or I don't know, but he's going to do something if we're in Rupp Arena.
Speaker 2:Got to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'll be a Rupp Arena shirt, which will be awesome.
Speaker 2:I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1:Talk, clay You're listening to that Tennessee. One looked good, though Say it Good lord.
Speaker 5:Fresh off the plane here in Phoenix, off of what was an historic Saturday in Los Angeles, between Worlds Collide and Money in the Bank, and Raw is live tomorrow night From right here in the Valley of the Sun, the 2025 Mr Money in the Bank, seth Freakin' Rollins, will be in the house, as will the undisputed WWE champion, john Cena. Don't forget, we kick off the King and Queen of the Ring tournaments, and Nikki Bella is back. One of the all-time greats will be in Phoenix tomorrow night in your main event.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, they announced that yesterday World.
Speaker 5:Heavyweight Championship Jey Uso.
Speaker 3:They announced that last night.
Speaker 1:Wow, was she wrestling. Yeah for the King of the Ring.
Speaker 3:They said she's come back, she's got to try and make some money Apparently. She has to pay a lot of child support To who To do she divorce that she has? A kid with the one that beat her, and then she divorced him.
Speaker 1:Are they going to do something with her and Cena? Nah, he's married, I married I know it just feels like it feels like they like, they have to have, like, an interaction somewhere or something no, I did see where the like she lost don't get water on my floors like the case and was like she has to pay like 250 000 a month or something.
Speaker 3:Win one for the dads yeah I don't happen much, I can't make a joke about that. No, no. But the dude literally did Get the cops. He got arrested for domestic violence and then somehow. He's the one that won the case.
Speaker 1:Work or shoot. Nikki Bell of Pint Child Support. Work or shoot Vince Trying to start a new wrestling Company.
Speaker 3:I think it is a shoot and of course his Boy is Trying to keep him relevant With the interview he did the other day, where he's like I'm not saying he would ever try to go back and buy it.
Speaker 1:Anything could happen, but I'm not saying Well, shane's pissed that they wouldn't sell him AEW.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Shane's so mad that they wouldn't sell him AEW.
Speaker 3:Well, it's because they figured him out. It wasn't really Shane buying it, it was my daddy buying it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah Turns out, Stephanie's the only one in the good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it turns out, only McMahon that's not a piece of shit is Stephanie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, surprising, because she grins like she's mad at everybody all the time. She can grin Calm down.
Speaker 3:Very nicely at Monroe. Yeah, it's like she likes him.
Speaker 1:Hello Monroe, hello, all right boys, it's a good episode. You boys got anything else. What are you going to do? I know you're thinking about something.
Speaker 3:It looks like you got something in your mind. I'm going to let Clay say something first.
Speaker 1:Okay, clay, what are you going to say? You got anything? Yeet Clay, he just wants to say yeet man, that's not even there yet.
Speaker 3:What are?
Speaker 4:you going to say the Rock's coming back to fuck everything up? Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1:Yeah he is If you smell he's going to be there tomorrow.
Speaker 3:He'll be there tomorrow and he's going to throw up instead of one, two, three.
Speaker 1:He could be there Friday too. I'm just saying that would be awesome, I agree. No, no, no, no, I agree. I legit think he's going to come back and screw everything up. I legit think he's going to come back and, like I think, he's going to be final boss too.
Speaker 4:I think it's going to blow everybody's mind.
Speaker 1:Everyone's going to be like everybody's going to be so confused Like who are you? Like get mad at Cena or like I don't know, we don't know he's going to be like I'm everybody's friend, I love all you. Final boss, I hate you. I hope you die.
Speaker 3:He's bipolar I think he is. I don't know. Maybe he'll come out in the Maui muscle suit.
Speaker 1:Maybe we're all marks. That's what I think. That's what I think.
Speaker 3:I think the Rock is the new ultimate warrior.
Speaker 1:That's probably true. That's probably real. I hope you don't have a do a farewell. Uh, I hope you don't do a yeah, farewell promo and rip. You know what we're talking about. Also, warrior did a farewell promo and he died the next day, literally died a heart attack the next morning and that is another conspiracy yes, this is 100% what happened. Shoot yeah, boys, you got anything else?
Speaker 3:I got one more thing to say. Say it Last time we was here we came out, I'm going to admit it, put this camera on me.
Speaker 1:We were drunk, but we had the best time of our lives. That was our favorite. That's what he was. Was like we didn't miss something to you, we were drunk. Yeah, I think I get drunk right after the match.
Speaker 3:Don't take long, do it real quick. Do it real quick.
Speaker 1:All right, y'all Remember, don't be marks today. Oh yeah, Play good, ring the damn bell, we'll be right back. This is awesome, this is awesome, thank you.