The Blurred Lines

The invisible line between reality and fiction is what makes professional wrestling magic, and on this episode of Work or Shoot, we're pulling back the curtain to examine exactly where that line falls in today's WWE landscape.

CM Punk's unexpected appearance in Saudi Arabia starts our conversation, as we question the legitimacy of his fan interaction and what it reveals about TKO's growing influence over WWE's direction. The corporate overlords seem to be making their presence felt through repetitive production elements and questionable creative decisions that might be prioritizing financial interests over storytelling quality.

Our most compelling discussion centers on the subtle hints suggesting Roman Reigns' imminent return. When WWE mentions a missing superstar by name, it rarely happens by accident. Combined with new merchandise releases (the action figures never lie!), all signs point to the Tribal Chief's comeback – potentially with a surprising ally. This leads us to our boldest prediction: Cody Rhodes may be headed for a shocking heel turn. As we explain, the most effective way to transform your biggest villain into a hero is by turning your biggest hero into a villain.

We break down the upcoming Saturday Night Main Event and Evolution cards, questioning ticket sales struggles and match quality while speculating on future champions and storyline directions. Throughout our conversation, we maintain our passion for indie wrestling, sharing excitement about upcoming local shows and the vibrant regional wrestling scene.

Whether you're analyzing WWE from a business perspective, trying to predict creative directions, or simply enjoying the spectacle, join us as we determine what's a work and what's a shoot in today's professional wrestling. Subscribe now and catch us when we return mid-August for our SummerSlam predictions!

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Welcome to Work or Shoot

Speaker 1 0:18

ladies and gentlemen, welcome into the work or shoot podcast brought to you by showing color. Um. Heavy d noah, what up? Claybo? Yay, uh, wes is uh just um. I think kairi sane heard him. I think it's where he's at kairi s sane injured wes and he's gone. Um. This is work or shoot. Uh, formally, the artist formerly known as showing color. Uh, this is where we're in a constant battle of what's real and what's and what's less real.

Speaker 2 0:59

Um, what's scripted and what's not scripted.

Speaker 1 1:01

Yeah, what's scripted and what's not scripted, what's scripted and what's unscripted. Right, that's kind of what we're doing. So again I'm going back to this Work or shoot Kairi Sane, hurting everybody she wrestles with. She was bad tonight. Yeah, it was bad. We're watching it, right. We're recording this right after Raw. What is it July? What?

Speaker 2 1:28

is this 7th? Yeah, Go home. Show before main event.

Speaker 1 1:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that event's going to be bad tonight. We're only recording tonight, on a Monday, because I'm leaving next week, claybo is going to be bad. We're only recording tonight, on a Monday, because I'm leaving. Next week. Clebo is going to Colorado. I'd love to say you're going to watch wrestling? That'd be cool. There might be wrestling, you could watch wrestling there, there might be an indie show or something.

Speaker 1 1:53

Nana's not going to do that. She's not going to take you there, no, but yeah, wes is off. Wino, he's MIA also, but you know we're here. We're here and Wes just didn't want to come. We miss you, wes, I don't miss him.

Speaker 2 2:14

I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 2:16

Of course, the problem is I'm going to talk about a Roxy match tonight. Do we have? Is Wayno still a part of who Wayno, who, oh Wayno, what? We were on the wrong one, okay, okay. So this show tonight. I always have a few questions, a few worker shoots, anytime carrying's involved, and I'm happy to see carrying involved.

Speaker 1 2:49

I'm always happy to see carrying yeah, we're always we're big carrying cross guys, big carrying cross house here still still hasn't won a match in like years, right, he just loses. It's been a long time, him, and Penta, penta just takes L's still hasn't won a match in years, right.

Speaker 2 3:03

He just loses. It's been a long time, him, and Penta.

Punk in Saudi and TKO's Impact

Speaker 1 3:05

Penta just takes Ales. Yeah, that's what he does. So a couple things. I'm surprised Punk showed up in Saudi. Yeah, yeah, right, because we've not got to talk about that. That punk did show up in Saudi.

Speaker 2 3:24

Which I will say, though, I saw something not even earlier yesterday I don't know if it was someone saying it or just a nobody on Facebook, but they was just pretty much talking about like just the good in him kind of being a man and you know, apologizing and apologize, and even if you know tko told him to apologize but still took, you know, took balls to do that you know, the dude in the front row was a mark.

Speaker 1 3:47

The dude in the front row was a plant yeah, he's, yeah, he's fake. That's what that was crazy. Well, ain't that crazy? Uh, I, I think so. We were talking about like the ebbs and flows of wb and how, when it's good and when it's bad, and the problems it does feel like. Uh, paul doesn't have like complete control right because there's a few things.

Speaker 1 4:16

So saturday night main event color scheme right is that. It is what it's always been that red, white and blue, like the red and blue, mainly neon lights, everything Vintage. But they've been so lazy on PLEs lately about the marketing of PLEs, that SummerSlam's marketing currently Clayton is red and blue like Saturday Night Main Event. Um, I think that's lazy, don't you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 4:45

I think it's lazy. They just keep reusing the same logos like I said earlier, though I mean hell.

Speaker 1 4:49

They use the same SummerSlam logo for over 10 years they did, I agree, but we're in a different era, right?

Speaker 2 4:55

where we want to. We are in a different era, but like, yeah, some things, I guess it's never changed.

Speaker 1 5:01

Well, so that's what that. That's kind of where I'm at with it. With tko, though, is the things it feels like, the financial decisions, and, again, the reason this podcast exists is so we can figure out the blurred lines between what's real and what's less real and is it less real? And is it less real that TKO it seems like TKO is ruining wrestling. Or is John Cena doing what he said he was going to do and is he ruining wrestling?

Speaker 2 5:33

I got a big take on that anyways.

Speaker 1 5:36

Go off.

Speaker 2 5:37

I mean as much as I enjoy that he'll work on him.

Speaker 1 5:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2 5:44

Even with him not being a cheesy heel, but a simple heel.

Speaker 1 5:49

Yeah.

Speaker 2 5:51

I do feel like he's losing that title before December.

Speaker 1 5:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2 5:58

And we're going to get the baby face. We're getting the Cena we all know and love for him to give his farewell. But I still wouldn't be mad if he was healed till the end well, I'm gonna say it again.

Speaker 1 6:10

Clay pretty much knows what I'm gonna say, because I've said it a bunch and I'm gonna, and I'm gonna tell you now I have some rules of wrestling and when this book comes out and all y'all gotta buy this book, my, my rules of Wrestling I'll buy the hell out of it. Because the first thing I'll say about this rule of wrestling is that to get a baby face, you have to get a heel. You have to turn a baby face into a heel to get a heel. Reversed.

Cena's Heel Work and Roman's Return

Speaker 2 6:41

It's got to be Cody. I was about to say Cody, it's got to be Cody.

Speaker 1 6:43

I was about to say Cody, it's got to be Cody, it's got to be Cody, because the only way you can get your biggest heel to turn baby is if you get your biggest baby to turn heel. Like if your baby turns heel, it turns that heel baby. Like unless your baby turns heel on a baby, does that make sense?

Speaker 2 6:58

Yeah, baby, baby, is he going gonna turn at SummerSlam, baby.

Speaker 1 7:03

I don't know when he's gonna turn, but I feel like there's a likely chance. Speaking of SummerSlam, no, no, no, wait, okay, I wanna segue, sorry, into another rule. Okay, okay, they mentioned tonight somebody. Okay, and if they talk about it, look at it. There it is. They mentioned his name. Why would they mention his name, clay? Why would they mention his name? Because he's coming back, because he's on his way, but who's he bringing with him?

Speaker 2 7:32

no, who is he coming back, as he ain't gonna be the tribal chief, no more. No, well, I mean he's he's gonna it's obviously roman Reigns Big dog.

Speaker 1 7:42

Blue eyes and shit. I'm getting PTSD. It's like wearing contacts. It don't matter, because he's coming back With Brock Clay's gonna lose his mind when Beast Incarnate Music plays Like it bro, I'll die.

Speaker 2 7:54

I'll probably geek out too, but I, I do. I still feel like that's.

Speaker 1 7:58

That's a big take I.

Speaker 2 7:59

I Follow the feedsigs baby I ain't against it, follow the Figs. Have they released a Brock?

Speaker 1 8:05

Fig. I'll show you. Brock Fig just came out. It's in the SummerSlam display. It's in the shipper with the SummerSlam figures.

Speaker 2 8:13

It's in every SummerSlam shipper, don't you have it?

Speaker 1 8:15

Yeah, I have it In packaging downstairs. It's brand new downstairs it's brand new just came out, we'll see. Now my mind's changed a little bit. All the figs, he's there, baby. Yeah, uh, they never lie, actually they're, they're pretty proven. Dom had like six figures come out. Then he won the title not the world title, but it was it happens yeah, uh, so yeah, that's now now I got you.

Speaker 2 8:39

Yeah, now I got got you moving. So you keep up with the figs A whole lot more than me.

Speaker 1 8:42

Yeah, now I got you moving. Yeah, unfortunately, I know literally everything that comes out all the time.

Speaker 2 8:47

There's nothing wrong with that at all. Yeah, there is. I mean you just no.

Speaker 1 8:50

Yeah, I'm broke, that's alright. It's been so much fun. It's alright. It's been five years, it's okay I don't?

Speaker 2 8:58

You got a badass collection that cat killed all of this stuff.

Speaker 1 9:01

Oh yeah, I got a new garage cat that we're keeping and it got into the arena and literally destroyed everything, massacred Somehow the figures that are supposed to be in different places, chewed on a kendo stick for a while. Messed up Sandman, real hard. Sandman was dead.

Speaker 2 9:19

Speaking of it earlier, I think it might have made mass transit look like a joke, yeah.

Speaker 1 9:25

Yeah, that's good we have to mention because it's work or shoot, and the greatest work or shooter of all time is probably the original gangster.

Speaker 2 9:35

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 9:36

New Jack because his whole, like all his matches are a shoot completely. All his matches are a shoot, completely All his matches are a shoot. I don't think he actually is mad every match.

Speaker 2 9:45

I don't think he attempted manslaughter at the script he doesn't know many wrestling matches.

SummerSlam and Evolution Card Breakdown

Speaker 1 9:49

Yeah, you're right, didn't even wrestle in moves. He don't know a lot of them. But he is getting DLC on 2K, which is cool because he's awesome and he was one of my favorites ever. He was one of my favorites ever in that ECW run Clay, how do you feel about Evolution? I mean, it's going to be all right, I think, but I just think the booking is terrible. So, because I know you said the ringside tickets are $100. $100, man, you can sit ringside for $100. But then you have to sit through Trish Stratus and Tiffany Stratton match and Becky Lynch. That match will be all right? Yeah, it'll be all right, but there's going to be a lot of bad. Match will be alright? Yeah, it'll be alright, but there's gonna be a lot of bad. Charlotte will be there. What's she doing? She's in that tag match. Oh, she's in that that 12, 10, 14, 64 men, 64 woman tag match. Can't forget the biggest draw. What's the biggest draw? Nikki? Who, what? You missed all the buttons. Where's Keisha? We, you missed all the buttons.

Speaker 1 11:06

Where's Keisha? They announced tonight that Nikki Bella is having a match at Clash in Paris. That button, that goes too long you got to pay child support somehow. That's rough Work or shoot. Nikki Bella's a bad mom Shoot, yeah, but they got to have AJ there. Oh, did you see AJ Lee's Instagram post?

Speaker 2 11:35

Yes, that's not what.

Speaker 1 11:36

AJ was talking about. Oh, sorry, okay, yeah, so he's talking about the other one, but aj lee instagram post with the, with her life, yeah yeah, her laced up knee pads. Let's go, she gonna come back with punk and then cody's gonna come back and brandy or they're gonna feud maybe a mixed tag put your marks in the air oh, here's my mark.

Speaker 2 12:01

Take, maybe they're just filming season three of heels now. Oh, I might have to spoil that to you that's, that's what.

Speaker 1 12:09

Did you already know where you've been there?

Speaker 2 12:11

buddy, I've done, watched it all. I've been telling you to watch it. I know I need to watch it all I really do.

Speaker 1 12:16

But yeah, you're right, they really they really might be what they're doing. Actually they didn't honestly, might mark what they're doing actually.

Speaker 2 12:21

I honestly might mark out for that more than her actually returning. I love that show so damn much.

Speaker 1 12:25

They need to put AJ Styles in France again. Yeah, la, la, la, la, la, la, la la. Wait, get that button. Actually, um, france was the best crowd I've ever seen, actually with the Cody.

Speaker 2 12:41

Rhodes chant.

Speaker 1 12:41

I think they got nominated for it. Oh, with the Slammys or whatever Was it? France that AJ was at Like camera was shaking. Yeah, it did. Okay, yeah, Him and Cody had an awkward match. Yeah, yeah, la la la, la, la la la la.

Speaker 2 12:58

You know why? Because it's just soccer hooligans I want to see more of. You know why?

Speaker 1 13:01

Because it's just soccer hooligans. Soccer hooligans can chant bro. That's why it was just a room full of soccer hooligans. The event they had in London was good too. People are crazy.

Speaker 2 13:10

Anywhere out of states is great London was money in the bank.

Speaker 1 13:16

Yeah, money in the bank, money in the bank. We should go ahead and, yeah, money in the Bank, money in the Bank. We should go ahead and talk about. Go ahead and get our AEW talk out of the way. Yeah, because we're going to need to talk about AEW just a little bit. Yeah, talk about AEW just a little bit. Yeah, because of its relation to WWE. And Moxley's contract is trending because he's like contracts through 2027. But all in Texas is that hangman Adam Page and Jon Moxley for the title and it just makes so much sense for Roman to bring back Moxley. No, it's not real.

Speaker 1 14:03

I told you that, yeah, I know, but it's not real. It's not real because he's got a contract of 27. He doesn't like WWE. Nobody even likes him there. They don't like WWE. I don't think so. I think he's one of the wrestlers they erased and he likes AEW. I don't think he likes aw, if anybody does. Tony khan doesn't even like aw. I don't think uh. But noah's gonna mark out and is not gonna be be able to do anything about watching aw. He's gonna have to. You know why? Because aw posted a bullet club, no amw am oh it.

Speaker 1 14:40

Oh, that was AMW, yeah it was. Amw. Oh see, I don't pay attention to what's going on. Oh no, that was AMW. Buddy, we're seeing that?

Speaker 2 14:46

Oh, we're going to see it. Okay, that makes sense. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 14:50

All right, delete all this. Yeah, edit this plane, delete it.

Speaker 2 14:56

I don't. I mark out even harder just because it's close to home.

Speaker 1 14:59

Yeah, yeah yeah, well, yeah, we'll go see that. We'll go to Corbin their Corbin show too, and see we got a lot this year to catch.

Speaker 2 15:06

There's still a lot of shows left.

Speaker 1 15:09

Clay's got a game. Whatever day it is, clay's got a game. He's about to go. Dead period's almost over. You know how it is Dead period's almost over, he's getting ready to start football.

Speaker 2 15:18

It's over on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 15:19

I know he's getting ready to start football. Life's about to get hard. We made it to a few last year, though yeah, we'll get there. Yeah, we'll get there. Whoa, who was that?

Speaker 2 15:31

I have one every episode. I was about to say did that not happen last time I was here? Yeah, yeah, it breaks, that happens happens, but I'll even go after games. Yeah, we'll go like whenever war games was going on with amw. Yeah, we went right to hazard after. That was right, because me and chase got there. Yeah, yeah, um, I'm pretty sure they made the announcement of staying in your seats because me and chase moved to y'all. Whatever, we was on complete different sides everybody can get over it, it's fine.

Speaker 1 16:01

Um well, they care.

Speaker 2 16:03

The show was like it was a million degrees in that building anyway. Complete different size. Everybody can get over it. It's fine. Well, they care. The show's like it was a million degrees in that building anyway, it's a hazard.

Speaker 1 16:13

Yeah, they're having that again. Oh, is that where it's at again? Yeah, god, it's going to be so hot I need one of those neck things that goes on.

Speaker 2 16:17

It's like the cooler thing.

Speaker 1 16:22

You know it's in Corbin. We went to an A&W show, though. We seen a cool 4th of July bash. That was cool. Some fireworks and some wrestling was pretty cool. It was outside really frigging hot. I don't know how the wrestlers did it.

Speaker 2 16:47

I don't know, oh god, don't get me started.

Speaker 1 16:50

I don't know if we can tell start on this well, james, come on the podcast. Defend yourself in the wrist locks please don't forget the titty twisters oh right, t twister and wrist locks. I seen him fall down.

Speaker 2 17:03

He fell down. I didn't even catch that part. Yeah, he rolled out of the ring.

Speaker 1 17:06

Oh, yeah, whatever, though, did I bully him on here?

Jacob Fatu and Bloodline Developments

Speaker 2 17:11

No, actually, I'll tell you what I got a bone to pick. It's Rex from Box Office Blondes.

Speaker 1 17:17

Oh yeah, he wanted to shit on my hair. Bro, you got so picked on. We were just chilling In the back of the crowd. That never happens and he was like you?

Speaker 2 17:27

I literally I looked back and I thought he was talking to someone else. He was like no, I'm talking to you. Was this pre-haircut or post? It was post. Yeah, fresh stash.

Speaker 1 17:36

Right, that's what I thought. I mean. Hell, you wouldn't even. It wouldn't even look like if he would have seen you before.

Speaker 2 17:40

Yeah, it would have been different. I mean, I was looking like a caveman and a beard and all you know. Yeah, you were cleaned up. Yeah, how dare he?

Speaker 1 17:48

I don't know How'd you grow up back that fast. How'd you grow up back that fast? Mustache, Absolutely. White trash it's like Clay's hair just goes straight up in the air.

Speaker 2 18:01

High class white trash I don't call it high class.

Speaker 1 18:04

I don't know. Classy with a K? Oh yeah, it is high class. You kidding, we lived through it. Fema didn't buy our house.

Speaker 2 18:13

Yeah, there you go High class. I think high class is letting FEMA buy it and then just spending all your money on nothing. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 18:20

This is not wrestling, clay, you're not keeping us on track. We was talking about wrestling. No, we weren't. Oh, we were talking about flooding. Same thing. I do want to say that, um, wrestling is the realest sport and everybody else can get out of here with everything, because it's the only thing I feel like when I watch it. I'm like this feels so much more natural than football. 100% Football seems so much more scripted. All sports seem more scripted. Paul Heyman continues to do gold in the ring is what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 18:59

Paul Heyman's God honestly.

Speaker 1 19:01

Yeah, he's fantastic and worker shoot. Goldberg has a limp Goldberg. He was wore out in the ring with Gunther just now and it was just a punch.

Speaker 2 19:24

But being such a hater, I can't help it.

Speaker 1 19:26

I think it's going to be like. I think Gunther's going to put him over hard.

Speaker 2 19:30

And I think he has to.

Speaker 1 19:31

But can he powerbomb him?

Speaker 2 19:35

I don't know. I mean Gunther, powerbomb Goldberg yeah, can Goldberg take a powerbomb? I don't think I mean like going through Powerbomb Goldberg yeah, can Goldberg take a Powerbomb.

Speaker 1 19:44

I don't think so.

Speaker 2 19:45

Possibly.

Speaker 1 19:47

I think he's going to beat him with a sleeper. Oh, that's real.

Speaker 2 19:51

Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's probably true. At the same time, though, or Goldberg wins, you know they're putting him over in his retirement match. I don't want to say that.

Speaker 1 20:01

Ain't no way, then. What's he going to do with the title? I don't want.

Speaker 2 20:04

Well see, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 20:05

We get cash in at Saturday Night at my same event.

Speaker 2 20:07

See there can be a cash in. It'd be a waste of a cash in. But yeah, that'd be the worst cash in. Gobert gets his send off but he ain't carrying the.

Speaker 1 20:16

he gets the title and then I'm telling you, if that happens, they'll get hated out of the arena 100% like that, that early cash in, especially with the work that they're doing with Seth right now. That would be such a waste, that would be so friggin lame, I think, especially because you can just put the title on Seth later. I actually don't think he needed to win money in the bank no. I think Wayne is the most wildest person ever for saying Goldberg's going to win.

Speaker 2 20:43

I think he is. I don't want to say it, but I think he is.

Speaker 1 20:46

Yeah, I mean I think Goldberg could win. I mean I really do. I think Wayne's takes are pretty out there most of the time.

Speaker 2 20:55

I mean, for God's sakes, they gave the man the title more than once, just five years ago.

Speaker 1 21:00

Yeah right, that is true, just five years ago yeah, right, that is true, not five years ago, but over the span of about four or five years, when he didn't deserve it, when he's wearing those white and black tights or the long ones yeah, those were awful like the first time he won it, like when he beat ko, that's cool, yeah.

Speaker 2 21:15

And then the third and the fourth. However many times he won the damn thing, it's crazy somebody loves him all right to change the topic.

Speaker 1 21:22

No, you're good, but I just want to talk about jacob. Fought to saying do it, what do you? What is it?

Speaker 2 21:29

I don't know if I'm saying on the worker shoot worker, shoot jacob.

Speaker 1 21:34

Fought to saying the n-word again, though we're talking about it and everybody on the internet's like going nuts over it because it was like here's my thing is it cultural appropriation? Why is it a problem? Now he's been saying it. That's the thing is like he said it in other stuff, they were promos like indie promos and just clips and just interviews.

Speaker 1 21:56

Yeah, I was like how we've been saying it, how we've been saying it a while should somebody should stop that behavior long ago, like it'sie's been saying it a while, somebody should have stopped that behavior long ago.

Speaker 2 22:03

It's too late, don't get it twisted. Not just that Regardless of your color, who's going to tell Jacob not to say it?

Speaker 1 22:10

I was like, if you're not going to shoot him, you can't tell him. Shoot him or don't tell him. That's the only two choices you got. He's doing awesome work, clay. He's always doing awesome work, clay. He's always doing awesome work. He's so good. I think his brother's going to come back with him, right, zilla?

Speaker 2 22:30

cousin, I think cousin, yeah, he's not. Yeah, zilla's Umaga's kid that's right, yeah, yeah, that's right that's right, I get a mixed up. He does, he's signed, he's been signed forever Zilla Zilla's.

Speaker 1 22:43

He's been signed forever Zilla Zilla's signed. He's been signed.

Speaker 2 22:48

Wasn't he in the? Am I tripping? Or was he not in one of the latest classes for the Performance Center?

Speaker 1 22:54

I could be completely wrong, I'm pretty sure he's been signed for a while, ain't he Clay? I think so. Yeah, I don't know which way of the internet. Do you keep up with Zillow though. I don't keep up with a lot of him. I mean, I watch some of his clips. I usually watch his vlog on the regular.

Speaker 2 23:07

Like he's love his work.

Speaker 1 23:09

Yeah, he's awesome. The stuff I've seen from him is awesome. And tall, tall, tonga tall. Oh, when's the?

Speaker 2 23:26

good, tonga. Come back, you tell me we didn't even get a chance. No, but I want.

Speaker 1 23:28

I want the good one, though I don't know, it might be okay, but I miss that, that's what I mean, I don't want a shirt that just says that. I'm sure they probably make that shirt also carrying the number one shirt again, right now, again, yeah, I think it's the puppet master with the one with the, the puppet on his new shirt I I got a feeling Drew might give him a run for his money with his new shirt.

Speaker 2 23:45

Oh, is it that the board at work?

Speaker 1 23:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2 23:49

I reckon Drew took an act of God for them to give him that shirt. He finally got it last week. That Goldberg shirt's sick too, You're right. I love it, dude.

Speaker 1 24:04

That attire's awesome, tires, awesome, any kind of old school looking shirt. Yeah, this is up my alley. Um, yeah, the evolution card is terrible. Right, there's nothing on it. Saturday night, my event is like the best, it's okay. The best thing of that weekend will be the next event. Probably. It usually is. It's, it's the. Is it the fourth of july event? American bash, american bash. Yeah, that's weird. They should have had it last weekend. I guess it fell that way, but that used to be Great American Bash.

Speaker 2 24:26

It is still that, is it still Great American?

Speaker 1 24:28

Bash. That's nice. That's Lex Luger. That's when it was outside, lex Luger. Remember when they were?

Speaker 2 24:34

One of the red and white and blue tights.

Speaker 1 24:40

Yeah, that is real. That is real. They insulted WCW by turning all WCW's pay-per-views into features on Raw and SmackDown, a special Raw or SmackDown Halloween Havoc. It's actually just SmackDown near October 30th. It's like an October 15th Smack smack down their halloween havoc. Everybody wears purple looks good. Clay has no idea what we're talking about. You know what halloween havoc is? Yeah, okay. Do they do halloween havoc in nxt?

Speaker 2 25:11

yeah, oh so it is what they did. They just took it. They're doing it in amw. Yeah, yeah but they used to do it their halloween havoc's gonna be in jenkins again too.

Upcoming Wrestling Events and AMW

Speaker 1 25:19

Yeah oh, that's fun, we should dress up Be the one year meeting you. Oh, okay, we should dress up as the woodliners. I don't know if you've seen us. We're more like FTR.

Speaker 2 25:34

Or like them boys.

Speaker 1 25:35

Podcast group. Yeah, I don't think any of us can be Simone. Who are you going to be? Fatu? Which one? They're all Fatu. You can't just say Fatu, jake, fatu. I want to be the Simone one, like the dark-skinned guy, the one with tribal tattoos.

Speaker 2 25:56

I say we just go with Bullet Club. Just say, screw it. You always are going to shake out with the Bullet Club, though.

Speaker 1 26:00

It's what you want to do, too sweet. Oh, you know what I miss tonight? I miss Weston's terrible takes. That's what I miss tonight. So him being here, what a loser, because usually his takes are total opposite of ours, yeah, or he's falling right with it. Uh, so we're not going to record. So we'll, we're not, we're not going to have a show for probably two weeks because clay will be out of town, then I'll be out of town. So, uh, this and the last and the first two episodes of this podcast that are up already, um, until, yeah, until the middle of next month, and by that time we'll have, we'll be on the road to summer slam right. What's the event? What's the event after? Uh, this one, what's the next event?

Speaker 2 26:53

summer, slam right yeah, I think so. Yeah, when is it though?

Speaker 1 26:56

august 1st and 2nd august 1st. That's why I said it's so far off, is the thing? That's why they're having the Saturday Night Main Event and Evolution and all that stuff. Do you think they'll have another Revolution after this one?

Speaker 2 27:08

No, hold up, I didn't even look while I go. We're going to see.

Speaker 1 27:12

I honestly think it's going to be so bad and the fans aren first flop of triple h era, like as if it don't sell. Oh, I gotta get my numbers right. Hold up, you're good, they said. If the tickets, like the tickets, are probably not going to sell out the day of, you're going to get them like 20 bucks okay, so I was right.

Speaker 2 27:29

It has been seven years since the first evolution it's been seven yeah, that's what they said. So if we do get another one, it's still another damn near 10 years. Okay, that's good. Hopefully we just don't do it every year or something crazy. I feel like if they didn't do it after the first one, then right, and especially not now that they were like.

Speaker 2 27:48

I wonder if we can book this well and the and the women's wrestling now, compared to then, is, you know, much better and good. Not shitting on the women, but no, they put effort into the the two evolutions they've had.

Speaker 1 28:02

No, and Liv getting hurt has really screwed me. Yeah, that screwed her over. Bad, that really screwed her.

Speaker 2 28:07

The only thing I will say from the last one to this one is the first evolution. They clearly just pulled every single woman that ever competed in the WWE to pull it off At least now this time they have a roster of women yeah, they have people to wrestle.

Speaker 1 28:20

She couldn't have got hurt at a worse time she can't be in SummerSlam in her hometown. Yeah, it was bad in New Jersey, but I don't think I mean they're not going to sell out. And then I don't know if they sell. If they sell those tickets like dirt cheap the day of or what's going on, they'd have to. You know, if they sell them dirt cheap, there'll be people hanging out in Atlanta ready to go because everybody goes to the main event it's going to go to.

Speaker 2 28:52

Is it in Atlanta? Yeah, the whole weekend's in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 28:57

I wonder how many tickets have been sold for it so far we looked at it me and Wes looked at it and one half of the arena is still open. They've only sold like 800 tickets or something crazy, and it's like a 6,000-seat arena which is cut in half because usually it sits 15,000, but they knew they couldn't seat 15,000 people, so they only made it available for like 6,000 people.

Speaker 2 29:18

Oh yeah, it says, according to WrestleTix, only 4,800 tickets have been distributed.

Speaker 1 29:25

Isn't that crazy? Yeah, been distributed, that's not sold.

Speaker 2 29:28

Been distributed, that could mean to Ticketmaster and to and that's compared to Main Event has sold 10,000 tickets. Yeah, that's crazy. In the same venue, yeah, in the same venue. Yeah, in the same venue.

Speaker 1 29:47

yeah, nuts, same seating, everything which still like love wrestling, love wrestling, field weekend, but at the same time, like you're like that's three shows within two days.

Speaker 2 29:50

Yeah it, and not just that. One of the shows is one that people really don't give a shit about well, financially you can't, you just can't like do it.

Speaker 1 29:57

You know what I mean. Like watching it on tv is different. Us watching wrestling for three days straight, it's different than us going to three events straight that's, that's like uh you can't afford three events straight well, that's like just just wrestlemania weekend alone.

Speaker 2 30:07

I remember like I'm in so many groups on facebook yeah just people who was there for like just the week straight oh, it's exhausting like just by wednesday people was like I'm already exhausted.

Speaker 1 30:18

Yeah you know, and you're not even. You're not even to the event. Yeah, you're not even to the hard part.

Speaker 2 30:22

You're two shows, yeah, no one show. If you can't just roll you're one show in, you're already tired, yeah.

Speaker 1 30:27

Because you got to walk so far right.

Speaker 2 30:33

Because it's all downtown, it's blocked off.

Speaker 1 30:34

We'd love to go sometime. You, I'd go there before I go to Super Bowl. I think, I don't know I would. It depends on who's in the Super Bowl. You'd rather go if the Vikings are in the Super Bowl, or you'd rather go if the Vikings are in the Super Bowl or Cody Rhodes is in the main event? Vikings, okay. Jey Uso. Viking, okay, tiffany. Liv. Dom, jud, dom. Judgment Day. Judgment Day versus Bloodline, oh.

Speaker 2 31:08

I'm going to that yeah that'd be nice.

Speaker 1 31:12

I was fantasy booking with Clay, it's fine. Sorry, we got lost in fantasy booking. I was trying to see what he would choose over the Super Bowl and it's Judgment Day, versus Bloodline, which I guess. Bloodline confuses me. They're not saying the words Bloodline anymore because they don't want us to think about Bloodline anymore so that's good.

Speaker 2 31:27

Yeah, I mean they. They got everybody out of the Bloodline that they could have.

Speaker 1 31:33

Speaking of Bloodline I, mentioned this to dad the other day. I said Jimmy's gonna beat Solo for the title. You think that's real?

Speaker 2 31:46

I'd say there's a good chance? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 31:49

Really, I don't think they're gonna put anything on Jimmy, except for tags.

Speaker 2 31:51

If they give Jimmy the push.

Speaker 1 31:55

I mean I feel like he's been doing a little bit of stuff I don't get to keep up a lot with SmackDown, but I see him often, he just keeps taking L's yeah, so he loses a lot. So does Penta though yeah.

Speaker 1 32:06

Penta gets beat a lot. He's just so over it. It don't matter anyway. And Jey Uso? Jey Uso's entrance. We were talking about speaking of ticket prices. Jey Uso's entrance, aisle seats for any arena. Any Monday Night Raw arena aisle seats are like $600 more than any other seat, which is crazy because they're just like Jey Uso might come down through here. You never know.

Speaker 2 32:32

Oh, he is you know he is.

Speaker 1 32:34

People can't yeet with him. He's literally right here, he's literally here. Four letters, one word Uh-uh, fiend. Oh, that's stupid, they said just imagine you're watching SummerSlam and you're watching SummerSlam and Cody Rhodes is just about to do the third crossroads on John Cena and you hear that music Fiend, fiend, fiend. You know it's going to happen. I don't know, I know. No joke. I read that they're like done with him.

Speaker 2 33:17

They're like no, we can't have that anymore. Why? Just because he's drunk.

Speaker 1 33:22

No, I think, just because he's not good at anything.

Speaker 2 33:24

No, I reckon he's just facing a whole lot of backlash right now.

Speaker 1 33:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2 33:28

Over the Astro World stuff. But hell, that happened years ago. They just released a documentary and he's just catching hell again. Yeah, cool the first time. Yeah with whatever you know it was cool seeing. You know the stage was cool and all, but that's it yeah, we're over it.

Speaker 1 33:43

We're seeing final boss at summerland. That's what we were talking about. Whether you, whether you, ever see the rock again, but I don't know, man, it feels like it yeah just because they've stopped talking about him.

Speaker 2 33:54

I'm like, oh, such a mark like it's being spoiled, like there wasn't no soul to be sell, or nothing like that. But at the same time it's established.

Speaker 1 34:03

He's got to show up one more time at least, let's just say how easy it would be for Cody to be the one that is actually selling his soul.

Speaker 2 34:16

That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 34:17

And that's what happens.

Speaker 2 34:19

Cody didn't take his chance to do the heelish tactics at Mania. Yeah, Did they wrestle again yet Mania no.

Speaker 1 34:30

Just, mania Just.

Speaker 2 34:30

Mania. So he didn't take the chance to do it then, you know, because he was going to hit them with a title saying you know, got them to not do it, like you were saying, while I go for it for a face turn, there's gotta be a hill turn. Cody's gonna take, cody's gonna do it yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 1 34:52

I think, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's.

Speaker 2 34:54

It can happen now with or without the rock, but it would feel right if the Rock's there.

Speaker 1 34:59

It also, if Cody turns, you have to have Roman in the picture somewhere, because who's your captain? You know what I mean? Who's your quarterback?

Speaker 2 35:12

Yeah, because I'm like it might be Cena until December.

Speaker 1 35:15

But it's not Cena, he's not even your quarterback, roman has to be there. It has to be Roman as a baby, or you've got to put the title back on Jay.

Speaker 2 35:24

Yeah. At the same time, though, too, I've seen I want to say I've seen some stuff too that Roman is only going to be back for SummerSlam.

Speaker 1 35:33

Really Okay If that happens. Cody turns Okay, I'm going to mark out. Cody turns Okay, I'm going to mark out. Cody turns on Cena, and then I don't know what happens with Roman, but Cody turns on Cena and then Cody and Jey feud and that's how Jey gets the title back and then Roman comes back and helps Jey.

Speaker 2 35:56

Jey should be getting a new title.

Speaker 1 35:59

Oh right.

Speaker 2 35:59

He'd be getting a different title.

Speaker 1 36:00

Yeah, and that's how Roman comes back Is to help, jay. See that, I'm just marking it out.

Speaker 2 36:09

Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 36:11

Never know what's going to happen. Clay, did you break your glasses? Uh, uh, okay, what else we got to talk about? What else we need to go over? So last show, what do you got on your mind that you got to talk about? What else we need to go over? So, last last show, what do you got on your mind, do you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 36:28

you miss live, really bad, bad. Put some respect on Raquel's name. I miss Samantha Irvin, I miss, I miss Samantha Irvin. Yeah, that was good. Samantha would be good for, uh yeah, a couple of different things.

Speaker 2 36:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1 36:42

Put some respect on Raquel. Raquel done good work uh, at, at, at, uh with her match with Rhea, and then Raquel did a good work on Raw tonight, Raquel looked really good.

Speaker 1 36:57

Really good. Oh, getting back to Kabuki Warriors oh yeah, that was nice, clay called that. It was like Kyrie getting picked on. It was like, oh, clay was like Oscar's definitely coming out. Oh yeah, you're right. And then I was like they're going to be the other member for the tag titles. Yeah yeah, that's obvious when they show up there. But what I'm confused about is how. I guess, raquel, are they going to lose those? Yeah Right, who are they going to lose them to? You think?

Speaker 2 37:22

the Kabuki Warriors, really yeah.

Speaker 1 37:24

Who else? I guess, right, there's nobody. And then Liv's going to come back and win next year. Yeah, for a while, right? Yeah, I mean his shoulders hurt. The Finn and JD done good work tonight. Finn and JD were very funny tonight.

Speaker 2 37:40

Good duo Good duo.

Speaker 1 37:44

I heard a funny wrestling-related joke today that some news came out that non-wrestling news come out about the Epstein stuff. You know there's no list and didn't kill himself. I was wondering where that list actually is and Wino said it is.

Speaker 2 38:04

In Chris Jericho's closet.

Speaker 1 38:07

No, it's locked in a vault with the script to the Montreal skirt job, that's good, I was like, yeah, you're right, that's true, that script. Nobody can know that existed. Hell Vince is probably on the list, I mean for sure it's not unrelated that our president's a Hall of Famer, a WWE Hall of Famer Also. Ozzy Osbourne's a WWE Hall of Famer a WWE Hall of Famer Also. Ozzy Osbourne's a WWE Hall of Famer. Yeah, I forgot he was. I forgot that too.

Speaker 2 38:37

I can't remember when he was inducted, but I forgot he was.

Speaker 1 38:39

Yeah, I totally. They just mentioned it today. They were like congratulations to Hall of Famer Ozzy Osbourne on retirement and I was like wait why'd he? Do that. There's a lot of funny people in the WWE Hall of Fame Clay.

Speaker 2 38:52

Mike Tyson.

Speaker 1 38:53

Yeah, they're pushing to put, they're pushing for, oh he got inducted in 2021.

Speaker 2 38:59

Yeah, okay.

Wrapping Up and Future Episodes

Speaker 1 39:00

They're pushing to get Waltman inducted, solo, inducted X-Pac, because he was when he was Lightning Kid and the 1-2-3 Kid. He was so good, he's deserved he was so good, um, so let, we can do, I pretty much think, and we don't have to do a prediction on main event, but I just want to go over what we think is going to happen. Right, I, I, I'm gonna go with my gut and I'm just gonna say that's going to win, because it would be crazy for Goldberg to win, I think so. I think Gunther will win, I think. Well, it's a Saturday Night Night event, so I think Rhea's going to win that title, because they talk way too much about her never beating Neo Right. What's the other match? They're saying.

Speaker 2 39:47

That's Evolution. Is there any women's match at main event, or are they just saving it all?

Speaker 1 39:51

for evolution. It's the same weekend, so I'm really confused about all the matches, the other. Saturday night main event matches Randy and Drew oh right, and LA Knight and Seth. Randy and Drew was surprising, and then LA Knight and Seth is going to be good. La Knight's good yeah that's all that's official right now. I I think Damn really. What they only had four matches last time Remember.

Speaker 2 40:15

Yeah, that is true.

Speaker 1 40:19

Because Jesse Ventura talks for like 30 minutes. Yeah, you're forgetting. There's another show. Yeah, they're going to do something on Friday night to build up to it, maybe even Evolution. There's probably not a spot up on Evolution, so they're not made of it before Evolution, I know, but they're the same weekend. I said on smackdown they might make a show for evolution, make a match for evolution.

Speaker 2 40:41

Yeah, they're both the same weekend and the and nxt I would say, yeah, there's still nxt too for evolution wise yeah, because there's nxt, uh, nxt women in that women's match, right Clay.

Speaker 1 40:52

What are their names? Uh, soruka, and what's that girl's name? Soruka's the one I do know is it Izzy or something?

Speaker 2 41:02

no, no, that's Ron's woman.

Speaker 1 41:04

Yeah, I know who she is.

Speaker 2 41:08

I can't remember her name you said it and it was a wild sound. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 41:11

I have no idea. So Sol Ruka, I love her though. Backflip RKO, front flip RKO. Yeah, you see how small her belt is. What belt North American.

Speaker 2 41:23

Men's.

Speaker 1 41:24

Does it look like the men's? Yeah, but it's white, a little bitty, and it's so tiny. She don't put it around her waist, she carries it like this. I like the NXT women's title. That one's tiny too. Well, she carries it like Cody NXT tag titles yeah, those are tiny. Yeah, she carries hers. She don't even put it on her waist, she holds it literally.

Speaker 2 41:43

Sole.

Speaker 1 41:44

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 41:49

She's awesome. Yeah, her mode's sick yeah she's really cool.

Speaker 1 41:52

I like NXT's female roster. Actually Doesn't Lyra have a match Triple threat with. Bayley and Becky. That's right, she's going to win.

Speaker 2 42:01

And then Becky and Bayley are going to win.

Speaker 1 42:04

Jordan Grace has a match at Evolution With. Does JC Jane for the title at evolution with does uh jc jane for what about? Um uh angel girl, dark angel girl, the killer? Oh no, she had a promo tonight. What?

Speaker 2 42:22

was her promo for nothing.

Speaker 1 42:25

That's crazy that she's not in, that. She's got to be there for something right in evolution. It'd be nuts for her not to be in it at least the battle royal. Yeah, that should to be in it, at least the Battle Royal.

Speaker 2 42:33

Yeah, she'd definitely be in the Battle Royal.

Speaker 1 42:34

Yeah, she'd be in the Battle Royal Because Ivy Nile was accepting the Battle Royal. Oh, something we didn't talk about. A Grande Americano, that's my favorite Work. Or shoot Chad Gable is not agrande Americano he's not he's not. I love it. That's some of my favorite stuff in 20 years. I can't wait to talk about that storyline. Yeah, yeah, I mean that pretty much covers what I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 2 43:10

That's how I feel what do you want to go off on?

Speaker 1 43:12

let's talk a little bit about AMW, amw. Okay, what do I wanted to talk about? That's how.

Speaker 2 43:14

I feel what do you want to go off on?

Speaker 1 43:15

Let's talk a little bit about AMW, amw. Okay, what do you want to talk about about it? Shoot, I had something in my mind. Now I can't think of it. Something in my mind Carlito, marty, no, timu Seamus, I think it was an event. Oh, big Papa Punk, yes, oh yeah, holla, if you hear me, dude, that's gonna be awesome. Yeah, he'll be at Ginny Wiley Festival. When is that? October? Let's order his figure and get it signed, cause they make that. They make that figure, it's got the chain.

Speaker 2 43:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1 43:49

The chain mail October. Is when it is yeah, ginny Wiley, nice they make that figure.

Speaker 2 43:52

It's got the chain. Yeah, the chain mail.

Speaker 1 43:53

October is when it is Ginny Wiley. Nice Ginny Wiley Festival. That's awesome. Yeah, that's good. That's in Pikeville. Pikeville shows are always good. Prestonburg I think Ginny Wiley Festival is in Prestonburg. I thought it was in Pikeville. Oh, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 44:08

but the but no, I think you're right, though I think you're right, I've been a research guy all night. We're going to yeah, do it, do it yeah, we don't have the production team here.

Speaker 1 44:15

Monroe's working in, in case he's dealing with some stuff. No, the booth is not here, clayton. I'm running the board and I forgot how, so you look october?

Speaker 2 44:28

I don't even know there's a bell.

Speaker 1 44:31

What? October, october 8th See, I don't even know what. October 8th, October 8th Prestonsburg Hot. We're there. Yep, don't make plans. We're going to as many wrestling shows as we can the rest of the year. It's pretty awful, actually. Obsession Ron Cena shirts came in. Best shirt ever.

Speaker 2 44:45

I wear it every day I'm taking it to Colorado. I wear it every day I'm taking it to.

Speaker 1 44:48

Colorado Best wrestling shirt of the round.

Speaker 2 44:49

I'm taking it to Colorado.

Speaker 1 44:50

Yeah, oakley wore his and he's like people complimented it on that.

Speaker 2 44:58

Hey, they're on there right now.

Speaker 1 44:59

Get on there and order your one. Are they really? They're on there right now.

Speaker 2 45:02

They're on there right now I'm going to get one. Yeah, they're not bad, they're like $.

Speaker 1 45:07

No, they're on there now.

Speaker 2 45:08

Good good.

Speaker 1 45:10

Yeah, I'm trying to build my wardrobe of just completely wrestling shirts.

Speaker 2 45:15

That's why I'm lacking in a lot.

Speaker 1 45:16

Oh, that AJ shirt is sick. That is gross.

Speaker 2 45:19

Good relic.

Speaker 1 45:20

Yeah, that's good. How's the?

Speaker 2 45:22

AJ feel. Speaking of AJ, I've been waiting over a month to get my AJ Kazanis stuff.

Speaker 1 45:26

Oh yeah, it takes forever. Oh no.

Speaker 2 45:28

I've been talking to the dude. He got whoever works for the company emailing him and he's running behind, and I said it a weekend before last, he's like.

Speaker 1 45:38

I got to be out of town.

Speaker 2 45:41

He's like you're my first priority. One week comes around and I email him. I'm like hey, dude, is that Angry Lemonade? Mm-hmm? Yeah, all right, jack, you're saying to Dana come on the show. The dude's been responding Good customer service Ain't knocking nothing, but you just don't get in the shirt. Damn dude, hurry up.

Speaker 1 45:58

Yeah, mine took forever, just so you know.

Speaker 2 46:02

Mine took forever to get here, like I said, I realized it had been a month and I finally emailed him. Mine didn't take that long. Yeah, it hit a month and that's when I emailed him.

Speaker 1 46:10

Mine didn't take that long. Yeah, it hit a month. That's when I emailed him. Come on the show AJ. I would love to see AJ. He's been busy, dude, that's the problem. He's been slammed because they're the champs, they're the A&W wrestling champions.

Speaker 2 46:23

Tag team wrestling champions.

Speaker 1 46:25

And other NWA US tag champions. They lose it.

Speaker 2 46:27

No, I'm behind on things.

Speaker 1 46:29

Either way.

Speaker 2 46:30

I got the they're hard-working men.

Speaker 1 46:32

They're working, they grinding the country. Gents, yeah boys, clay, you got more AMW stuff. Is that what you wanted to mention? I see Carlito, I see Steiner, I see Kazana. Hopefully we can live feed from one of these shows like we did. Where'd we do that? Neon or Jenkins?

Speaker 2 46:54

It was War Games, wasn't it War Games.

Speaker 1 46:56

It was War Games.

Speaker 2 46:57

Yeah, that we live streamed from.

Speaker 1 46:59

So this next one, hopefully we can live stream from it.

Speaker 2 47:02

You think Heath?

Speaker 1 47:03

Slater listens to our show. Heath Slater, we can put him on it. Probably he's going to be at that show. He came to one of the shows.

Speaker 2 47:10

Yeah, I gave him a show in color. He was at the Jenkins. Yeah, the one we met. The one we met, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 47:17

I met you and we met AJ that night. I gave him the previous oh, you gave him the show in color stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. He could very well listen.

Speaker 2 47:25

He's got kids. He's Slater's listener of Work or Shoot. He's got kids. What's that mean? That's his thing. I got kids.

Speaker 1 47:39

I forgot. Good call, clay. Good throwback, I missed it, my bad. Noah, you got anything. Everybody good. Where's Wes Wes? You got anything. He's going gonna love that. He's gonna love that. Alright, boys, try not to be marks today. Yay, no, this is our home. This is our home.