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'THE FACTION' AT NET PRO STUDIOS, HOME OF INNOVATE WRESTLING

• Team T4 • Episode 42

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We sit down at Net Pro Studios with the Faction to unpack losing two tag titles, why legacy beats gold, and how the Innovate crowd helps shape the story. The ring is loud, the training is real, and the politics are messier than the belts.

• how crowd energy affects match flow
• why titles are symbols and legacy is substance
• Innovate Wrestling history and lineage of belts
• training foundations at Net Pro and paying dues
• breakdown of singles and tag finishers
• faction math, adding Big Scary, and Illuminati dynamics
• ringside chaos and the Fast Pass twist
• branding through high-quality gear and tribute design

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SPEAKER_05:

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, and children of all ages, showing color podcast in T4 Productions proudly brings to you the greatest podcast in the world. The King of the Crop Playboy. The reverse narcissist, Noah. The toy winner soldier wins. I got you on Brooky Lugin. And I'm heavy d the work of shoe podcast. And if you don't like that, we got two words for you. Welcome back.

SPEAKER_02:

What's up, guys?

SPEAKER_05:

No yeet. Yeet. That's one word. Yeet is one word. No yeet. That's two weeks in a row. You said you said it's two words. It's just one. Alright, we got a special treat for you tonight. We're at Net Pro Studios in uh Kingsport, Tennessee. Um, innovate, the home of Innovate Wrestling, and we have the faction on the show. What's up, guys? We're here.

SPEAKER_07:

We're uh we're excited to be here. We're here with uh without our damn tag titles. Yeah? Do you want to tell us about that? What happened? No. That's all right, that's all right. Yeah, let's circle back to that real quick. You know how you just got him with the nickname thing?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You know he does that to me every single match, right? Like what was last night again?

SPEAKER_00:

Last night. What?

SPEAKER_07:

The widowmaker. The widowmaker. Okay, the widowmaker is that makes sense. The match before that, it was Quadzilla, um, your next stepdaddy. Um the list goes on. I never know. We don't talk before about what we're gonna say, and we don't we don't say it just happens, it comes out.

SPEAKER_05:

That's beautiful. I love that you do that.

SPEAKER_07:

It it just skeets on out there.

SPEAKER_05:

So um they don't know what we're giving them, they don't know what nicknames we're giving them. Uh that's why I break West every week, is because he never knows what I'm gonna tell him.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, the the the whole tag title situation, man. Uh partially you guys are to blame for that. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest because you guys have been out here cheering for us, and we appreciate it, man. We really do. Because you know, the thing about the faction is the faction never changes, right? Yeah, we are the same guys, no matter if we're wrestling what you would call, I guess, quote baby face or quote hill. We are us 100% of the time.

SPEAKER_05:

And we confirm that we've been to we've seen you guys wrestle enough.

SPEAKER_07:

So the crowd here at Innovate has been uh getting behind us a little bit, you know, chatting my Jimmy King stuff with me, and and I guess it was hubris. I guess we got a little comfortable and uh we were trying to pop y'all a little bit and took our eyes off the prize, but you know, that's fine. That's fine. Titles and wrestling are one and lost, legacies are what don't change. And we are still the top tag team in this damn region, no matter if we've lost two sets of tag titles last night. We still are tag team champions, we still have two other sets of tag titles. I did not know that. We only lost half of them. We're good.

SPEAKER_05:

I didn't actually know that. I was wondering why you were so willing to put up the second titles.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, the second title is also from this area. Nice. And we just happen to have them in our bag because we were at that other show right before. And, you know, double or nothing. If they've got the balls to get in there and challenge us with, you know, his original tag partner, Wayne Atkins, not being here due to illness or you know, his pussy hurt. Um my man did did have you know some heart problems last year, so maybe he just didn't have the heart to do the match. Oh that's too harsh. Um, you know, I mean my last name is Baker. You know, you know another famous wrestling baker, Ox Baker. You know what he's known for? The heart punch. It runs in the damn family.

SPEAKER_05:

You be doing that heart punch?

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, yeah. To him, I would. You know, we talked a little bit before the podcast about these kids are in here training right now, right? You can hear it in the background. We talked about how I trained, right? How I was the bump dummy in the middle for four veterans for an hour or two before shows. Oh, yeah. Wayne was one of those guys. And he beat the shit out of me. You know, Nick Hammond was one of those guys. He wasn't as mean about it. Tony, Tony Givens, the dragon. Yeah, he was one of those guys too. And you know what? Here we are 20 years later. I'm not his student no more. I'm not his young boy.

SPEAKER_05:

No, baby.

SPEAKER_07:

You ain't I I I'm kind of the man in taxi and wrestling around these parts. And if he wants to step back into the ring, he's not getting the train in. You know, he's he's getting all of me. And uh man, these kids in here, they're just they're they're working their ass off.

SPEAKER_05:

They're working, man. They are working. I actually, it's like uh my favorite thing that we've done in the podcast is just watching these dudes train, uh, dudes and dudettes working their tails off here. We're at um NetPro before they have their showcase. Uh it's a it's a obviously it's a training school, and they're uh getting ready to have their showcase event. Every Sunday they have their showcase event at five o'clock at NetPro Studios, and it's really just every Sunday after an Innovate show.

SPEAKER_07:

So Sundays they do a regular training class. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01:

But if Innovate's running, they run the next day.

SPEAKER_05:

That makes sense. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, yeah. Yeah, so maybe Saturdays. Maybe Saturdays would rock.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Before us? After us? How's that gonna work?

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not sure. I think after uh Dan still make iron out the details.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay, so yeah, so in other words, they're putting us on a poster and we're drawing for their student trip. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_05:

You're a draw.

SPEAKER_07:

Because we have unlimited access to the ring anytime we want to, courtesy of our studios. So that's fine. So that's fine. Also, Dan the bookman, I'll beat the shit out of some of your studios. Like that guy. Or that one. Not the bald one. I like the bald one.

SPEAKER_05:

You just pick and choose who you're gonna who you're gonna battle.

SPEAKER_07:

Um all of them.

SPEAKER_05:

I know you get get in the ring right now with everybody up there. They're all ready for it. I'm just kidding, don't do that.

SPEAKER_07:

To be fair, I've got Conley here. We can't do founding, but I don't know about all of them.

SPEAKER_05:

Half the people here in the Illuminati.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, to be honest.

SPEAKER_05:

Like half the people in the promotion are the Illuminati.

SPEAKER_07:

I was a founding member of the Illuminati.

SPEAKER_05:

Were you? I did not know that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, in 2010. Illuminati's going 16 years. This is the fifth or sixth version. The Illuminati will go away from a while and come back with a new leader somehow.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

But uh that man over there to your right, Tony the Dragon Gibbons, Tony the Dragon Gibbons, Innovate Wrestling. Uh also mine and Jeff's original trainer, yeah. Yeah, um, um, he was the founding father of the Illuminati along with Chris Richards and myself. We were the first three members. That version ran for a couple years. Um then there was a version with Chase Owens, and he was built around pretty Chase Owens while he was the NWA junior heavyweight champion. Um Kevin Driscoll had a version, Axton had a version, um and Al Andy.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. Is it Alex?

SPEAKER_07:

Is it who who's running this shit?

SPEAKER_05:

Scoot a little closer to the mic for me.

SPEAKER_07:

You know who's who's running it? Andy? Alex?

SPEAKER_05:

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_07:

And I feel like there might have been one or two more versions in there somewhere, too.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Well, we've we're we're new to Innovate, right? Um, so we've we've been coming to Innovate shows for just just a couple months. Uh December was our first one. So we're not familiar with the history of Innovate, but a lot of these dudes we've seen wrestle everywhere else. Uh a lot of them, anyway. A lot of them are have been students and just graduated, so like here is where they've been wrestling, right?

SPEAKER_07:

This is the 24th year of this company. Then under a few different names. It was Next Gen Wrestling, it was Championship Wrestling, Championship Wrestling Alliance. Then um under Tharp's version of NWA, we were an affiliate of NWA. Um, so we were NWA Smoky Mountains. We were basically the spiritual successor of uh Smoky Mountain Wrestling, which was from this area.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_07:

Now I feel like we've got a little bit more ECW than SMW.

SPEAKER_05:

We definitely know we definitely know a lot of Smoky Mountain stuff.

SPEAKER_07:

So fun fact those United States tag titles that we lost last night. When Billy Corgan started his version of the NWA, he bought new bucks. Oh those United States tag titles that we had last night are the linear National Wrestling Alliance United States Tag Time. I did not know that. That's awesome. So those RB belts like co-ops, ding.

SPEAKER_05:

Bobby Eaton. Bobby Eaton. Beautiful Bobby Eaton. The beautiful Bobby Eaton Arena is uh the Net Pro Net Pro Studios. It's the beautiful Bobby Eaton Arena. Um and the I mean, beautiful pictures of beautiful Bobby Eaton.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, nicest dude in the world.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, sweet dude. You know, you can come in front of the camera if you want to. It doesn't matter. It's okay.

SPEAKER_07:

Chris, walk on through. Don't just go around. You know what? Come here a minute, Chris. Come here. Uh oh. Look at this camera. Look at this camera. Uh oh.

SPEAKER_08:

Chris. Chris. Give him the gun show. Give him the gun show. I don't care. Take your hoodie off. Take your hoodie off. You're a body guy.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, he's gonna come back. He's gonna come back and play. Referee Chris Harvey. Um, if you can call me Quadzilla, look at his biceps, man. This guy. This guy needs to be an N-Wrestler. Look at this. He's not allowed to wrestle my matches anymore because his biceps are bigger than mine. This guy. All right, Harmin, we're done putting you over. Get the fuck out of here. Interrupting our podcast. Yeah. Big ass. Go go fucking take some creatine. I have two. That's why he's juiced up. He's juiced up. Hey, how many grams of protein you got in today, bitch? How many grams of protein you got in today? Today. Today. That's rookie numbers. Pump that shit up.

SPEAKER_05:

He was gonna say it no matter what you said.

SPEAKER_07:

It didn't matter.

SPEAKER_01:

I also like that shirt.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, that shirt's sick, yeah. That's awesome. I've never actually seen anybody wearing a Darby Allen shirt.

SPEAKER_06:

So real workers, probably.

SPEAKER_05:

We were at a show here last night, and that's where you guys uh ripped, lost those titles, got robbed. Uh bamboozled. Bam bamboozled. Hood winked.

SPEAKER_00:

Run a muck.

SPEAKER_05:

God, I appreciate you so much. I'm glad you know what's going on. Yeah, um, yeah, everybody here was surprised. Honestly, me and Noah lost our minds when you guys lost. Like, there was no way that happened. I was shocked. It was like seeing a tapping out shit.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, honestly. There's a lot of history in that match last night, too. You know, Wayne, who wasn't here, did help train me. Nick Hammonds was my first tag team partner. Yeah, he was my first tag team partner. And Connelly, something about Foshi, man.

SPEAKER_00:

On my first day of training, yeah. Tyler Foshi, as a little six-year-old kid, was out there watching.

SPEAKER_07:

Wow. Tyler Foshi grew up in the front row of this promotion. So we used to run the Civic Auditorium uh in Kingsport until the city bought it for the school system. Andre the Giant wrestled there. Antonio Anoki wrestled there. Elvis headlined there. Historic building for wrestling. Foshi grew up a little kid in the front row watching this. Foshi has been part of this company. Like he was ring crew at like eight years old. You know, he's been part of this company for way longer than he's been a wrestler. And he has probably studied me and Jeff more than any human being in the world. Nick knows me because I mean Tony trained me, but I sharpened myself tagging with Nick. Yeah, I sharpened myself tagging with Jeff, even though he came after me. You know, when you're a team and a unit, I said unit. You said unit. But you know, you kind of rub off on the other guy a little bit. And um last night, I thought by hitting Nick Hammond's with an ace crusher with a diamond cutter, his finishing move that we'd have had that.

SPEAKER_05:

Should have got there, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You know, and we still set up for the hard line, our finish, who um has never been kicked out of. Every single time we've hit that move, we have won a match. Um which to explain the move a little bit, I'll go for a running power slam while Connolly comes in with sliding neckbreaker. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's brutal. Um it will jack you back and realign the spine. Hammond's got one up on us and he got Connolly's leg. And it kind of shocked me a little bit. I didn't expect it, and I was like, holy shit. So a little bit of a delay on my side, and Foshi gave me a couple elbows to the face and a zigzag, and before I even realized I was being pinned, we got the three count.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I didn't I was actually like not necessarily focused on even the pin because I just didn't think it was the finish. So I was like, I was I was not even focused on the pin. I was like, well, they're not gonna lose here.

SPEAKER_07:

As you saw, we still had a lot in the tank because they may have left with their titles, but um they didn't leave Walking. You know, Wild Bill and uh Big Scary came and we had a little faction party on their faces. Um you know Big Scary officially joined us last night. Big Scary should have been with us the whole run. Me and Jeff have been a taxi for 15 years. Wild Bill's been with us for decades. Big Scary should have been with us this whole time, dude. He's our boy, he's family. Um he just didn't see things the way he pandered to the fans a lot more than we did.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, and you guys needed, and and you guys need more help. Like because Illuminati outnumbers you and the other groups of just random people who are coming to beat you up are outnumbering you, right? And like you guys said, um you're not really the bad guys. Like it's because I don't know if you pay attention.

SPEAKER_06:

We're feeling we don't change. We we don't have characters, we don't have gimmicks. No, you we are who we are. And people say, Oh, so you in the ring is like you turned up to 11.

SPEAKER_07:

Actually, motherfucker, it's like me turned down by 20 because I'm kind of out there.

SPEAKER_05:

But oh, I definitely think you're turned down in the ring.

SPEAKER_07:

Uh I am turned down because there's cameras on me and I'm not trying to go back to jail.

SPEAKER_05:

So video evidence.

SPEAKER_00:

So uh Conley, where did you get your start? So I originally got my start uh honestly in Tony Gibbons Carpenter. Um it was about 16 years ago. Uh I just got out of the army. I really didn't know what to do. I see he advertised the show, and I just messaged him and was like, How do I get involved? And just luckily, he was training this jack guy named GQ Flawless, and he needed somebody in there to work with him. Uh just so happened, I got there, and I'm the one that stuck around. GQ Flawless is yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, and it seems like you were the you were willing to like to put in the work, and that's what we've we've seen so many indie wrestlers, and we try to support so many indie wrestlers that the ones that make it and the ones that really get over and get promoted everywhere and get booked everywhere, are like, man, just just putting in the work, taking the bumps, taking the L's, you know, putting people over. I mean, you know how many people have you put over? How many people do you have to put over before you guys got over? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07:

Two years before I won my first one.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like that kid that debuted last night that won, like, super rare. Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Super rare.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

See, a little bit of differences. I actually uh went on the road with Chase Owen, Sigmund. Like my first couple years, I was on the road four or five days a week. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, I I got my education, you know, on the road with them with Ricky Morton.

SPEAKER_07:

Um Ricky Morton, before we ever had a school, was the one that taught me how to get shit canned out of a ring.

SPEAKER_05:

He was in the front row last night.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, that the hair definitely was. Um shout out to that ring rap. Um, but anyways, I mean, yeah, so I was about a year before Conley and actually found me in a strip club. Um a bunch of the boys used to frequent, and I was the DJ, and they heard me talking a bunch of shit on the mic. And then we're recording. One night, um they just happened to be in there when there was a fight. And you know, strip clubs, there's not a lot of fights. No, dudes ain't in there for all that. They're they're paying attention to someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's bull biddies, and you know, like I've never been. Yeah, um cunning stunts. We'll just say that. Um so one night they just also happened to be in there and a fight broke out, bro. And they're just looking at me like, where's the bouncer? And then, well, here I come because I am the fucking bouncer. It's a gentleman's club.

SPEAKER_08:

We don't have bouncers.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, it's me and the manager who's in the office doing ball strippers, and he's not coming out here to fight. You know, so I end up taking out like four dudes with the help of like two or three strippers that were like beating them with their stilettos, and they're like, shit, Baker can fight. So then they're like, All right, well, um, hey, do you want to be security or a wrestling show? And I'm like, how much does it pay? Let's do this. That's awesome. And now we got some music going on. And um, so about a year before Conley came, they're just beating the shit out of me for fun. Hey, we're beating the bouncers. It's just the bouncer. Um, they never took training me serious until, like he said, they hired this freaking jack dude that lasted a year. Um, nice guy, hell of a nice guy. He is a nice dude, and he is like insane with like promotional stuff like uh Photoshop Wizard. Like, that's his his job, like his career. He's a graphical person. Uh, shout out GQ Kyle. Um, love you, baby. Love you baby. Um yeah, you know, it it's it's not for everybody, and he would come and go over the years, you know, he would come back. Um phenomenal look. I mean, I am telling you, chisel. Like break your tooth on chisel, like punch him in the abs, break your finger, kind of deal. Like CJ Knight. CJ nine, yeah, but with charisma.

SPEAKER_01:

And with weight, and with weight and mass.

SPEAKER_05:

Listen, what did you say about him last night? He is he is uh what'd you say about his abs?

SPEAKER_07:

500 abs on a brain cell. He is uh Z Collins be jacked. Oh, shout out Z. Shout out Z.

SPEAKER_05:

Uh Z, I'm I'm sure you don't watch this show. That's backwards.

SPEAKER_07:

That motherfucker don't know what a podcast is. He's he's busy bleeding stuff and drinking it.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I just assume that he doesn't use the internet.

SPEAKER_07:

No, but uh they have the no we no, we're still working off. Yeah, we got like satellite the hamster running on the wheel.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The trees power our internet.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, so yeah, so it's rooted. Eventually, one night in Morristown, Tennessee, um a fan jumped the barricade robbed Jeff Anderson, and I just came in, scooped him, and shoot Tazplex to my armory floor, and they're like, We're training them now. So that's when they started actually training me. And from about the time Jeff got into wrestling, we were already riding. You know, and like he said, like he said, he rode with Sigmund, and he rode with Chase. I rode with Chase to a bunch of stuff like on the other side of Tennessee for a while, and then yeah, after him, um I split off kind of went to the West Virginia route, and I got polished by Jason the Gift and Kate. Oh, okay. Um who, in my opinion, the best to never be signed to a major contract, the absolute greatest, most innovative wrestler I have ever met. And you will see his influence in NXT. You will see his influence in every major company because everybody ripped off everything that he does. Dude was freaking with he's like freaking Mountain Yoda, but can wrestle. Like he's a Jedi in the freaking ring. And he was signed to Evolve for a little while, but I mean he he he should have been freaking ring of honor. He should have been freaking NXT. He did compete for the NXT North American title in its original tournament at WrestleMania. Oh cool. Oh that's awesome. As an evolved talent. But like if you guys have never watched Jason Kincaid, do yourself a favor. Technical wizardry like the influence of early ring of like dude was he was the amazing red of the Southeast. Like he freaking so smooth so amazing and such a great human being. But that's kind of where I got polished in honestly Connolly's first match Battle Royal I was in it with him I'm not going to tell them that I eliminated you. We've been together like I said as a team for 15 you know longer than charges baby mamas. He's gone through three baby mamas in that time I'm a three by three by three this guy fucks it's the army it's the army shit freaking stupid Flanders right here you know but you know um I would have loved if we had and not taking anything away from the training Tony Gibbons gave us we had nothing like what we're sitting here looking at right now. We like he said we weren't backyard wrestlers we're fucking carport wrestlers we dream in the carport on the side of his house on Sundays and then his wife would uh cook us spaghetti afterwards though baby that's grit that's why you guys it's called you why you guys are gritty right yeah and I mean we we stuck around you know maybe we were just too dumb you know they say quote my boy Roger Allen Wade you're gonna be dumb you got to be tough you know we're a couple of jackasses and uh you know we've just we've been around we put in the reps we put in the miles as a team we had over a hundred matches as a tag team last year that's crazy last in one in a year is crazy yeah and as of right now last night was actually our first match of the new year I wrestled New Year's Eve so I was cutting it real close. Yeah um that's a little bit of a risk we've got what already 42 dates scheduled for this year the case before January 1st and we're trying to fill those up I mean we're trying to come your way to Kentucky we're we're trying to get back into the West Virginia as we're trying to go a little north I want to wrestle in Philly I feel like my man here being from Jersey needs we need a match in Jersey yeah listen we'll drive we'll ride with you we'll ride with you to Jersey and go to the show. Let's raise hell on the damn road praise some Dale you know look at Andy Optimus out of that motherfucker Andy the champ the champ does is laying against the ropes Andy Optimal uh last night he is studying look in he is studying every one of these guys and that whole row right there is Illuminati members you know he's doing and I will tell you being a founding member of the Illuminati he's sitting here right now deciding how he's gonna be able to stick a knife at each one of their backs. Yeah absolutely that so just the couple of innovate shows that we've been to it seems like Illuminati really just beats each other up the Illuminati was founded on the fact that there are no friends in wrestling only associates and they still very much if you go and watch anything that Innovate puts on TV if I'm on commentary or Tony Gibbons is on commentary we will tell you he asked me on the last show what I feel about the Illuminati and I said to be honest fuck them I don't trust them and he's like yeah I was I was kind of wondering how you felt there because y'all are in the same you know locker room I was like no we ain't in the same damn locker room I don't trust them I'm not changing near them and I said I don't think they trust each other I don't think they like each other. They don't you know they're they're all using each other as a means to an end. So uh last night uh clay was clay was impressed with I mean clay was impressed with the show the whole show yeah but uh it's the first time he's seen you guys wrestle yeah what'd you think oh I loved everything about it don't don't put me over just because I'm sitting here all jacked next to you clay no I loved it other than losing the tag titles but I think everything about it was awesome like I said titles are something that come and go the the footprint we have especially in the southeast that can't be lost no and I don't know if you guys saw this after the show uh I did find that VIP fast pass laying over there ringside we currently have possession of that I was to say do you have it so that's breaking news cash that in at any time that's beautiful and I was actually the first ever winner of the FastPass.

SPEAKER_00:

That's how I won that version of the grand championship.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh I know how to I know how to use it and just for the fans to know the VIP fast pass is uh VIP fast pass is money in the bank esque yeah it's yeah it's a lanyard that gives you a contract and you can cash in any time and uh what's his name cashed in last night yeah Andy Andy cashed it in last night and and uh big scary yeah uh and he Andy Optimal I think he maybe had a change of heart on who he was last night and the gold spoke to him so you see that picture behind you of Big Scary holding the old version of the heavyweight title there he had a match where Foshi was actually out here at the time was the fast pass holder and he forced Foshi to cash in the fast pass in a situation where he was also in a matchie turned it into a title match Travis won the title that's beautiful so I uh I believe you Jeff have held every title in in event wrestling every single one I was uh I was gone for about a decade from this company for uh creative differences we'll just leave it at that and I've only been back for a little while but I mean pretty much as soon as we came back we captured tag team gold um you know it it doesn't stop so it's VIP um can you guys use it as a tag nothing says that we can't oh that's nothing says that we have to win that fast pass to cash it in I found it we're gonna see you got it yeah we're gonna see what happens I mean you know so what happened to it last night they cashed it in and it was they just didn't like it's just hanging around I guess they cashed it in and with all the excitement of everything it kind of got discarded well because there was something bad that happened outside right there was something huge that happened outside oh yeah right after the show that we ended up catching on camera because we were outside there was gonna be an interview attempted vehicular homicide yeah honestly I found it kind of funny yeah yeah we caught you laughing bro we caught you laughing it was scary though man I mean like I've worked in bars I was a bouncer for a long time I've seen shit like that happen outside of a bar and for it to happen outside of a wrestling show you know in in the southeast it's not really surprising I mean when you've got incidents in the history of this area like you know Ron Wright getting cut from ear to butthole with a hook built knife you know they're a little nuts and we still don't know was it a wrestler was it a fan somebody said that it was uh Ben or Alex Atkins I don't know well didn't Adkins pop up out of the card allegedly could have been a good mask I don't know could have been AI deep fake now that's real sore head sore absolutely I mean honestly this is AI this guy walking by camera right now full AI full AI look at him AI guy yeah you don't even know we're talking about him yeah he does look at his shirt it's made by AI look he ain't got no hands he's been walking to the wall in a minute watch moxie just constantly do stuff in the ring that most people can't do crazo might be AI what are you doing crazo is AI actually craz'ai one of the voices in his head is AI at least four of them or at least owl okay so we're we're gonna ask you all a couple questions just just I just have wrestling thoughts right so I've seen you all as tag finisher a ton what is what what is your move that you go to Baker your finisher tag Conley Tag Conley Tag Conley I actually like tag conley as a finish so to be honest with you Connolly ventures out more as a songs wrestler than I do yeah I have been a singles champion I've been a television champion I've been a heavyweight champion of several companies but you like the tag my passion is tag team wrestling there's a different art form to tag team there is I have several moves that I will end a match with I have a version of Flash Mountain you know the Razor's edge that I can hit uh Tony Gibbons my original trainer to the sleeper so sometimes to tribute him I'll do a sleeper week and you crown people I do crown people I've never won with that um I have a sequence that ends matches that starts with an inverted cannonball where I do a running back flip cannonball pull the guy up into a kryptonite crunch and um so I mean I have several several tools that I can end a match with um we have you know signatures as a tag team as well we have one called the Family Tradition which kind of pays homage to uh handsome Bo James and KC Thunder um other guys who early on mentored us yeah um it was their tag finish and it is a body slam where I will body slam the opponent over Conley's name it's rough you know and we've been using that for about a year now we've not mastered that to the point where it can be a finish.

SPEAKER_05:

Bo and KC had that down you know they created it they innovated for sure they won't give us the secret to it they said you guys can use it it can be yours now but you've got to learn you've got to unlock it you've got to figure it out um but I mean several things you know uh cross face like I said splash mountain well yeah and I mean there's there's other ways to win matches other than other than a a signature move right I mean I'm not the flashiest of wrestlers a lot of the stuff you see me do in the ring is stuff that I would have done as a bouncer in a bar fight yeah well that's the vibe you give off and I know that's the vibe you want too that's the vibe noah noah who is is aspiring uh aspiring wrestler is that that's who he feels like all the time maybe noah I'm just throwing this out here you can get Z to come back to the school and you know you can ride with Z and train here in EPRA oh now commonly he didn't have anything to say about that Noah you you know you you know you I think you got me sold already that's all you gotta say yeah is Z allowed to drive that I don't know that I don't know how to operate he's a he's allowed to drive but I don't I mean I'm sure he has I'm sure he has bench warrants for tickets and stuff I didn't know he had I know what a bench warrant is maybe he doesn't have a license Noah definitely drive uh surprise noah drives a big dually truck yeah everybody's super surprised very Kentucky of you I mean we got oh yeah I mean we got we got we got the Duramax and we got the square body baby I mean as authentic as you can get Conley what what you finish when you're solo uh for me I've I like to use what I call the Jersey Turnpike it's a modified uh spin neck breaker oh I've seen it yeah I've seen it I've seen it yeah yeah um a couple other things I've I used the new jersey jam uh knee drop from the second oh beautiful um and the snapmare driver which you have not seen me use no uh that's something that I used to do quite a bit I love a snap mare driver never had anybody kick out and as soon as one person did I figured it's time to change it it's time to change it somebody done a fisherman last night and uh I was on my way out to go to the bathroom and like somebody was doing a fisherman suplex and Wes knows fisherman fisherman is my shit bro I love a fisherman suplex I love a fisherman buster perfect plex baby Mr. Perfect's my favorite this morning I was watching we usually do a segment where we watch an old match and we just talk crap about it and this morning I was watching uh when Mr. Perfect was commentating and like when he was wearing like the black suit that says Mr. Perfect on it now and it was uh it was like it was friggin' like honky tonk man and somebody else versus Hogan and it was wild it was like it was like 88 or something or 91 I can remember whenever Mr. Perfect was an announcer and he had a perfect plex and I was like man I just don't think there's a prettier move than a perfect plex see that right there that's our era. You know that is a faction match right there that is we're very late 80s early 90s you know we that's why we like you yeah we're a mix of exactly a midnight express with a little bit of uh Billy and chuck thrown in there you know uh little new age outlaws well Clayton is I mean he's 15 so like so he's grown up in in the era new of of Cody Rhodes and you know uh the and and even like high flyers and you know people people flying around everywhere but we've really taught him to love and respect like in-ring grappling and he also wrestled like he wrestled in middle school as well so I heard that shit fake comment on that hey Clay who's better you or your sister my sister probably yeah she was she was she was pleased she was state champ once she was state champ once and uh she was she was actually pretty good made a made a bunch of boys cry but she just don't care about it um yeah champ okay motherfucker there you go you're hey baby you're my state champ Noah what you got down there presents looking for Mike yeah you don't know yeah we're short we're short of Mike to you bet your ass I'm going to by by the end of the show tonight we're gonna have you taking a box oh that's gonna be that's gonna be a run in me and you and Conway let's just do a run in and beat the shit out of one of these kids you you got him you got him telling us eternal is joining illuminati look at him bro you know he's gonna join the Luminati man his shirt says facts facts his his ginger face says illuminati yeah all right listen look I ain't like the rest of them I ain't like the rest of them that's what they all say clay's the heel clay's clay's the heel look I have came up with for my wrestling is a heel he's a heel because Clay's pure he's actually a good person and so he has to have so it's you know he has to be a bad guy he's gotta have an outlet you know not like you guys who are just bad guys all the way around so you guys have seen CJ Knight in a million different companies at this point yeah yeah you don't notice the change of attitude he's had lately that's the real CJ Knight that dude's an asshole oh yeah that dude's an asshole I'll go ahead and put him on the spot he was pretty nice to me I want to tell a story on CJ Knight that uh because y'all said I can say whatever I want to oh you say whatever you want to bro absolutely because I know CJ Knight don't use the internet we're about to shoot on this on the CJ Knight he's a handsome man good looking cat yeah I I would I would fair to say that the ladies probably appreciate some CJ Knight young dude with 20 million abs he goes out to the bars to sing karaoke and he goes to like usher songs and seven o'clock he absolutely doesn't have we're all leaving the bar one night and some girl just comes up and brushes his arm this motherfucker looks at her and says bitch why are you touching my arm you like me and we're like CJ touching my arm and like so so we asked we're riding town a couple weeks later like so what happened with old girl and he's like man we're so you guys are similar age to us do you remember like way early YouTube the unforgivable videos yeah yeah I told that chick give me a chicken sandwich waffle fry that's that's CJ bro and the Dr.

SPEAKER_07:

Pepper yeah well this you bitch better not have any brothers like what you're talking about what happened with the old girl man he's like we was on my couch and we was cuddling and she pulled out a bag of cocaine and dumped it on my table and she took a tooth and looked at me and tried to hand me the straw and I said I slapped that straw out of her hand and said bitch CJ Knight don't put that shit in his temple I was like but you said that you said CJ like you you the rocked yourself you third person bitch cj knight don't do drugs it's like Jesus Christ bitch CJ Knight don't do drugs hey we get CJ Knight on the podcast guy too as bad as Tony Atlas I'm just kidding I'm just kidding hey this woman over here is looking me dead in the eye like no what's a pair of shoes right there and I haven't seen him get up and go towards him yet I think we're safe yeah we're good Tony look another pair of shoes Tony Atlas would have been sniffing both of these already CJ would have been like taking the insole out and licking it God that's too much that's the most vulgar thing I've ever heard you say actually that's that's actually over the top we're done tonight that's saying quite a bit uh so what's the so uh where you guys wrestling next uh we have this weekend off I believe sweet and we are headed to Tennessee all pro wrestling in Nashville sweet um shout out freaking Tyler Thorne bro our gear maker book us on this show did you see the trunks we debuted last night holy crap dude those trunks me and me and noah as soon as you come out me and noah were like bro those are the best trunks they both of them said uh freaking overview quality quality he actually gave us two sets and you haven't seen the other one yet it's I don't know I like the Jimmy King inspired on the Jimmy King ones see the you know what hold on hold on a second we're not gonna say what these are guys but hold on did you see uh did you hear us yelling at you with the Jimmy King Listen I'm telling you listen I'm telling you I ready to rumble Ready to Rumble it released two years two years before I was even thought of that is but that is a we're so old I'm an honest I mean I'm gonna lie we just said they're older clapping we just gave like 30 wrestlers to clap with with Ray and Ramble like when I discovered it I was like it was like I discovered fire. So first time I see y'all do the crown I mean I he literally yelled at you know I've done that actually and it wasn't like until that I actually started yelling at but I wouldn't do it in like serious shows that we're gonna tape like if we're doing like a fair show or something like that. And then one night we're here and it's a show that's been taped it's a series show I go up and I they just do it. They just yell it.

unknown:

I

SPEAKER_07:

Didn't even do it. They're doing it for me. And we're like, you know what? Screw it. Let's run with it. But um shout out David Arquette, too, man. Like, yeah. That's a real world champion right there.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, he's been wrestling too. I mean, like, he's doing more stuff. He's still wrestling.

SPEAKER_07:

Landon actually tagged him in our post on the gear when he put it up today to see what he thinks about it. But uh little Landon, aka Tyler, Tyler Thorne, another dude that grew up watching us, his dad wrestled in this area. He is one of the head gear makers at AEW. Oh, sick. So that's why our shit always looks so good. Yeah, you're right. And that matters too. He made Bronson Reed's WrestleMania gear.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_07:

Um, killer. Anything you've ever seen Joe Hendry wear is him. Oh, sick. So yeah, pro wrestling wear on Instagram. Say his name again. Straight up, dude. Best gear you will ever have. Um he made us two sets that we were still saying, probably Nashville, maybe the other ones. Maybe right there with him. What day is that Nashville show? That will be not this Saturday or next. Yeah. Um dude, just insane gear maker.

SPEAKER_05:

It's a day after Rumble.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. Like I can I cannot put over this guy's stuff enough.

SPEAKER_05:

Like, yeah, you share send that send that stuff to me. We'll share it on uh I wanna I wanna check that. I wanna check out his gear stuff.

SPEAKER_07:

We follow it. Let me let me pull uh the other pair up and just show you guys K Fabe off camera. I don't know if y'all I'll tell you what, if you can guess it on the podcast what the theme is, I will let you say it. But um I'm not going to spoil it.

SPEAKER_02:

Hold on a second, we'll start down at this end on the guesses, guys?

SPEAKER_05:

Iron Ice? I don't know what they are figured out.

SPEAKER_07:

Alright, hold on. I need to look at it again. I will give y'all one hit.

SPEAKER_00:

Iron Ice was close.

SPEAKER_01:

Iron Ice was close.

SPEAKER_02:

Iron Ice was close. Shark Boy and Lava Girl. Shark Boy and Lava Girl. That's a no, but it's like an idea. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05:

I swear to God, I was like, I was like, I just didn't want to say lava girl. I didn't want to say shark boy and lava girl. That's what I thought. So just keep in mind he had red. Let's get George Lopez here.

SPEAKER_07:

I don't have the picture. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, I don't have it.

SPEAKER_07:

Now keep in mind because it is the exact same pattern. Oh, I know what it is now. Tell me. Oh my god. Oh my god. Fellas, we're gonna stick to one song and one song only. Yes. I wasn't so far off. Yeah. My humps. My lovely lady. Oh my god, that's so great.

SPEAKER_05:

The only song we're gonna do. We listen to dance to one song and one song only. That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, dude, like the best gear maker in the freaking world. I will tell you right now, anytime you've seen kick pads look next level, they're probably his. He learned from uh a guy named Mr. Wrestling, which is Adam York, and actually his dad was a gear maker too. Adam York was the guy that innovated like the pleather shorts. Like London, he was London and Kendrick's guy. Um he was really AJ Styles guy. So like Landon is probably the greatest on a freaking sewing machine of anybody.

SPEAKER_05:

He's like the goat of the I think he's doing that on purpose, by the way.

SPEAKER_07:

Like, is he fucking with me? We'll give him a package pile driver on the phone.

SPEAKER_05:

Like, I think he's fucking with me.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. Um so the Jimmy Kings last night, we we debuted those because we knew you guys were gonna be here.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I s I swear to god, I was I was like, these have to be new tights. They have to be new tights.

SPEAKER_07:

You don't see tights of that quality a lot in independent shows with the rhinestones, the jewels, and the stitching. Like you notice the side was actually Jimmy King's um his vest and all like when he sent those to me, I was like, holy crap. And I'm gonna be completely honest with you.

SPEAKER_05:

Do you know we're doing a podcast live right now?

SPEAKER_07:

No, I don't like it. You're good, brother. You get it? Yeah, so I didn't want to like you're good. That's the case. Let me shout somebody out. Y'all y'all know who this this man right here is? Until I realized I just threatened to give you a package pile driver on the floor, Zeke, because I saw you run in front of the camera. But I'm not gonna do that because his stepdad, crazy Steve from TNA, would totally beat my fucking rules.

SPEAKER_05:

Look, he didn't know it was a camera. He didn't even know. Look at us. I didn't even know. You're good, bro. You're good, you're good, bro. You're good.

SPEAKER_07:

I didn't realize it was you at first, and then I saw the camera. I was like, that's Zeke. Yeah, shout out to Zeke. Hey, I want to put my man over here too. Like, dude is in school learning how to do all this photography stuff, this videography stuff. Like, I saw the stuff you did for the sheriff's office, bro. Like, holy crap. That was amazing. You announced. You did some some school bus stuff too, right? You did stuff for the school system. Um, yeah, he is uh he's putting well, he's still in school for this, and he's already getting like government contracts to make videos and stuff. Dude's next level. Is there anywhere you'd rather be than here, though?

SPEAKER_09:

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_07:

Wow. Not only is his stepdad crazy. He's also a legacy in photography. His mom is my second favorite wrestling photographer of all time. She was great. Um I I have to say second favorite because you know my wife, of course, you know, she's a wrestling photographer, and you know she's probably not gonna listen to this. I I I love Zeke. I don't want to sleep on the couch by putting your mom over that much. Those are those guys are clapping for us, by the way. Yeah, they're yeah, that was for you. They're clapping for you, Zeke. Yeah, because you're making them look like a star.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it was because how many times you're on camera in this podcast. Yeah, that's why. No, brother, you're good. You're good, you're good. I promise. I'm just messing with you.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, dude. You didn't have quite the mustache, and I only saw you like a couple months ago on Halloween. You didn't have all the stash going on. I was like, I was like, look at this guy with the mustache. Is this like Andy Optimal's other brother that we don't know about over here? Zeke Optimal. Optimus Zeke. Optimus Zeke. Optimus Zeke. Yeah, oh let's let's give Zeke the best B-roll footage ever. Everybody hit the flex on him. Yeah. That's my dude right there. That's a cool kid. Cool kid. Thanks, Zeke. Thanks, Wild Bob. Hey, Zeke, you can do one thing, one thing to make up for walking in front of the camera. Okay, find any one of these net pro students and chop them right now. Bruiser Bob. Against their will. Krazo, defended last night. Find any Net Pro student. Turn them around to say Jeff Baker sends his regards and chop the shit out of him. Get the fuck out, bro. Bonus points if it's dangerous, Dan.

SPEAKER_00:

If Crazo jumps into the thing, just grab some water and spray him.

SPEAKER_07:

Zeke, lay your chops in. I will tell Steve, lay your chops in. Lay your chops in, Zeke. Yeah, oh yeah, for me. You're good. Thanks for Crazy Steve, one of the head coaches of the school here, too. Yeah. This school, you know, we haven't really talked a lot about Nepros. They have Crazy Steve. They have Ricky and Carrie Morton. Like, dude, that's some of the best training you can get. Look, all these people walking in front of the camera. All these Illuminati motherfuckers. Moxie, take your shirt off and get some more viewers. Just yeah, there we go. There we go. There we go. Yeah. There we go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

You see what we do with guys? So unhinged here.

SPEAKER_07:

What is going on? That dude behind us allegedly may or may not have hit a motherfucker with a car last night. And it may have also been some more deep.

SPEAKER_05:

I think it was AI. Hey, you give me$5, I'll give I'll join Illuminati. Can I join Illuminati?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Done. Damn it, D.

SPEAKER_07:

Everybody else has everybody else got it. Everybody else and their mom's in the Illuminati.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm the only person in the room not innovate.

SPEAKER_00:

I honestly think I'm the only person on the Innovate roster that has never been a part of the Illuminati.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, bro. Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. But all these other all these other people that heard the word Illuminati, and we're getting stared down right now. Well, I think stared down so hard.

SPEAKER_05:

I think we're getting into the territory of other people who are starting to do shit and we're kind of in the way. Well, we're over. Oh, yeah. Well, we wouldn't be able to do this if you guys weren't sitting here. Yeah, no doubt. Like, what are you guys just doing a podcast here in the middle of the room? I don't know. We got this fucking bouncer with us. He's going to protect us. Yeah. We should have thought we should have set up cones or something. And this guy, and this guy'll just, he'll just he'll just get you pregnant.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. So I'll smile you to death. I'll beat on you. I'll beat on you in the condo stretcher. Look, there goes another freaking Illuminati. You gotta at least give him a new Illuminati sign if you're gonna pass the camera. Yeah. New new bounce. New balance black whale. He is the face of Net Pro camera dragon.

unknown:

Forget that.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, lights are going off.

SPEAKER_00:

I guess it's about time for them to do a cut it.

SPEAKER_07:

Top bedtop. Hey, look, there's that there's that crazy chick that um we beat for the tag titles over there. She's probably got a gun, so I'm not gonna call her a crazy bitch. Um but she's a crazy bitch. Well, guys, this was awesome.

SPEAKER_05:

So great. This is a good thing. We're gonna do it again. We're we're gonna do it again. We'll do it. And if you guys come to Kentucky and wrestle, you guys come to my house, I'll fix your dinner.

SPEAKER_07:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05:

Before, after the show, whatever, we'll crash. We'll, you know, every we'll have a great time. I'll take you to a bar. It's a date. Yeah, no joke. We'll we have we'll have the best time, I promise. You can ask Noah, every guest that comes on. Uh this is like my third or Ford podcast, and every podcast we do, people that come to my house, we be eating, don't we, Wes? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Bro, we'd be eating still got a bump, Wes.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna get these people to take bumps. Uh I think getting his woman in the in the ring and clotheslining him would be great. She's dying for somebody. You want to take a bump? You want to take clothesline?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah. You want to take clothesline?

SPEAKER_09:

You get to outreach.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh no. I was about to say uh no offense. A lot of women do want to be in a faction sandwich. I'm just throwing that monocle here now.

SPEAKER_06:

A lot of dudes too, you know. 2026, no hate. Love's love.

SPEAKER_05:

Whoa. Whoa.

unknown:

Love is love.

SPEAKER_05:

All right, boys. All right, we got fans coming in here. Yeah, we'll we'll be killing this. Uh, Noah, you got anything else?

SPEAKER_07:

They didn't pay enough of a ticket price to see us, so we're gonna go to the back.

SPEAKER_05:

Claybo, you got anything? I ain't got nothing.

SPEAKER_07:

Speaking of bat shit crazy, Nicole Payne, innovate women's champion. Hey, don't forget to kick that follow button for all the indie news. Don't be a mark.

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Comment follow innovate wrestling don't be a mark today on all platforms. There we go.

SPEAKER_05:

Ring the bell.

SPEAKER_07:

Absolutely.