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If Wrestling Is Fake, Why Does It Hurt?

Team T4 Episode 61

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A Facebook rant about a wrestler “being rude” turns into a perfect lesson on heel heat, getting worked, and why independent wrestling fans still react like it’s real. We also preview our upcoming NGW interview, break down Innovate’s expansion draft, and hit the biggest moments from WWE and NXT lately. 

• a parent calling out Nick Hamrick online and why that reaction is the point of a heel 
• what “heat” means in pro wrestling and why nothing is off-limits for crowd reaction 
• our remote interview next week with NGW co-owners Cody Ford and Eddy Shepherd 
• NGW WrestleWars on July 26 at the Mill and Mine in Knoxville and the names being announced 
• quick hits on other shows and wrestlers we’re watching across the indie scene 
• WWE Night of Champions reactions and where the title picture could go next 
• our NXT trip recap and why live wrestling changes everything 
• Innovate’s expansion draft into Alliance and Federation plus how trades and free agents work 
• Axton Ray vs Troy Parker going the distance and Axton Ray signing with the NWA 

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RING THE BELL!

SPEAKER_00

Welcome back.

SPEAKER_02

What's up, guys?

unknown

Hi.

SPEAKER_00

Wes isn't here to do the other two, so you feels like you should have done it too. And at this point, everybody just knows you're gonna do a one, so you can throw everybody off and do a two.

SPEAKER_01

Easy's not thrown off. Just work the work.

SPEAKER_00

Easy's still confused. Easy. Hey, welcome in to the worker shoot podcast. Uh this is this is Monday, June the 29th. June the 29th,

Welcome And What’s Next

SPEAKER_00

tomorrow's payday. June the 29th. Right? It's not, it's been like forever since one. And we are coming up on a big interview. Big for an big interview for a big show coming up next week. And we want to let you guys know what's going on, let you know who we got coming on. Also want to talk about we didn't record last week, so we want to talk about the week before the shows we went to, the expansion draft for Innovate, which was which was fan fantastico. That was a great show. And then also some awesome worker shoot drama that's going on on Facebook. That's that I can't see because I'm blocked from because I think it's hilarious. So I got blocked from it, which is no surprise. So he's not here. He's out of commission. But yeah, here we are. Gonna talk about a few things, get down the road, let you talk about we don't have a guest tonight because we're prepping for our guest next week. Right. We'll be we'll be remote. Remote. Remote next week. Remote interview next week. Let me tell you about, let's start off, let's start off with let's start off with the the work or shoot of the week. Which is Oh, yes. I I'm I'm which is this mom on Facebook. We get a lot of this. We had this with Gen Z and we talked to Gen Z about it.

SPEAKER_02

There's a correlation with that in West Virginia wrestling.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, was it West was it in West Virginia square?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it was in Logan. It was a Freedom Fest or something.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's awesome that it was in Logan.

The Facebook Mom Gets Worked

SPEAKER_02

But it's funny because with Z, you know, he's a West Virginia wrestler.

SPEAKER_00

It was the same thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Dude, there's something in the water over there in West Virginia.

SPEAKER_00

So, you know, you don't we're I know you don't know what we're talking about. I'd love to share it, but I can't because I'm blocked again. What?

SPEAKER_01

That was Easy's mom neck.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Easy's mom was mad. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. That was EZ's mom. But there's this mom that's super pissed at our friend Nick Hamrick, uh professional wrestler, super skilled dude. Also, just for the record, super awesome dude, super nice guy.

SPEAKER_02

Very good at his job.

SPEAKER_00

Very, very good at his job because she is doing her best on the internet to sound like a strong mom and post about wrestler, about Nick Hamrick not being professional and calling the kid. What do you call the kid uh no?

SPEAKER_02

I reckon he was he must have been making his entrance and he said, like, get the hell out of my way, kid, or something. Oh, yeah, get the hell out of my way. The kid was wanting a picture. Yeah. And said the kid, you know, just threw his head down and was like, let's leave.

SPEAKER_00

And the mom posted about them being unprofessional and about how sad it is that how sad it is that people can't be. She's like, I know it's a show, but they don't have to treat kids that way. And then what really got me blocked was I laugh reacted to about 65, 50 or 60, yeah, 50 or 60 comments from people being like, they're going way too far talking about kids. They're going way too far talking to kids. Let me tell you something about wrestling and getting hate. Okay, let me tell you.

SPEAKER_02

I'm all ears.

SPEAKER_00

Nothing is off limits, bro. Nothing is off limits. Right. If your mom died, bro, it's coming up. Christian Cage made a whole gimmick off that. It's coming up. I'm talking about it. It's coming up. I don't, I'm sorry. You got a way it is.

SPEAKER_02

You got a dope-headed brother or sister, it's going to get mentioned.

SPEAKER_00

It's bringing it up, okay? It's heat. That's what we do, that's the game. If you don't like the comedy routine, don't come to the comedy show. Okay? Maybe that's not the place for you. Don't come to wrestling shows if you can't handle the heat because the heat is real.

SPEAKER_02

And if you're pissed at something, then they are doing their job. The job is completed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And if nobody's figured it out yet, heat doesn't matter how you get it. If you're getting it and you're getting over. It can be cheap or or or anything. So let's let's think about this. The next time Nick Hamrick brings his ass to Logan, West Virginia, right? That place is going to explode.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Because of him.

SPEAKER_02

He might have Sean Cruise heat after this.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they're gonna absolutely hate him.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Isn't that just him doing his job?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Dude's getting paid. Oh man. I mean, dudes, you are y'all are putting the money in his hand, really.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's actually hilarious. Thank you so much for the and I do want to point out there there's another post that she made of some screenshots from some people who messaged her. If you're messaging someone to tell them that they're a mark, you're a mark. So but I would like to introduce myself. My name's Mark. What's your name? Uh my name's Mark.

SPEAKER_01

My name's also Mark.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, okay. Yeah, we're all Marks.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Hey. Wes is a Mark too. He's just not here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We just got one Mark absent.

SPEAKER_00

All right. So well, I mean, Wayne's here.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Proud of you guys. Proud of you boys.

SPEAKER_02

I was wanting to say this too, because I was saying this earlier. The same people, the mo the the mother that made the post and the people that's in her defense. Y'all are the same people that are that'll go around and talk about how fake wrestling is. But you're getting mad at this. You're contradicting yourself. Alright? You're getting worked. It's all part of the job. You are just one big fucking mark.

SPEAKER_00

It's like when you're pissed that your favorite person doesn't win on Big Brother. Literally. It was just so mad. I mean, guess what? You're a mark.

SPEAKER_02

You're getting worked. It's just simple as that.

SPEAKER_00

And like you said, you're hell, you're I mean, you're doing the thing for them. You're doing the thing that they want that you're you're doing the thing. You're sharing, sharing their stuff.

SPEAKER_02

You're just yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You you basically told everybody, hey, this wrestler's really good heel.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. I mean you're just feet, you're just feeding the fire.

SPEAKER_00

Just made a big look at this wrestler, how good of a heel he is. That's the post that she made. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02

And then everybody's gonna start booing him. And then that was the goal.

SPEAKER_00

And then you gotta put like, and then you gotta put you're probably gonna put a title on him. I mean, if you're smart, somebody in Logan, West Virginia, put a title on him, be smart.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I mean, hell, he just he just uh recently lost one of the ACW titles. Oh yeah. He was one he was he might have been the ACW champion when Pikeville and he just recently lost it, I believe.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he could have been. We need to go to more shows that direction. They got ACW is the one with the Buffalo Wild Wing shows. Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_02

And West Virginia, it's not that far. Well, I know Logan do Logan, we could have gone to Logan and back in the same day.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we gotta make ourselves.

SPEAKER_02

I really wish we would have gone to that show. I know. We should have.

SPEAKER_00

We gotta make ourselves available for more shows that side. We're just we're just kind of sucked into the Tennessee wrestling game right now. We're really sucked into the Tennessee wrestling game right now. And then, you know. Casey dub, Casey dub, Casey dub. We live for that. Okay, uh some more talk. We'll get rid of that. Uh get rid of that that big uh there right in the middle. That's beautiful. Okay. We're gonna talk about the interview next week.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

July 5th. July 5th. Uh, well, July 6th is when we'll episode. July 6th.

SPEAKER_01

July 6th.

SPEAKER_00

Who do we got, Noah?

SPEAKER_02

We have the co-owners of Next Gen Wrestling out of Knoxville, Tennessee. The owners.

SPEAKER_00

I think they own it. That's what co-owners. There's two of them. Sorry, sorry, it's hard. No, it's okay. You just don't know the term. It's okay. Owners, co-owners

NGW Interview Preview And WrestleWars

SPEAKER_00

is two of them. Don't you didn't even get jumped on that hard. You just think you did.

SPEAKER_02

Everybody overreacting. You ain't the victim, all right? You're just wrong.

SPEAKER_00

I gotta use that more often. You're not the victim, you're just wrong. Let's pull that out of my ass. That was a good idea. Okay, what's uh so the the the names for all the good people are Cody Ford and Eddie Shepherd? Yeah. Okay, Cody Ford and Eddie Shepard next week. So we're gonna have on the NGW co-owners, and they're promoting uh NGW Rassel Wars, which is what's the date on WrestleWars? July 16th. 26th. Yeah, 26th. 26th, same thing, the end of the 6th. Yeah, yeah. July, July 26th in Knoxville. Is it at Mill? At the at the the Mill, the mine and mill. Mill and mine. Mill and mine. Whatever. It's a bar. We've been there and it was awesome. Awesome venue.

SPEAKER_02

Only been to one and was hooked.

SPEAKER_00

The venue was great, uh, beautiful place. Good parking, actually.

SPEAKER_02

Probably not bad parking. Only downside was having to pay, but the but the park, but the park parking.

SPEAKER_00

We're just not used to that because we're from here. You gotta pay everywhere. No, you're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And it was like right beside the ball stadium. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's right downtown. Very, very nice, very nice venue. Professional wrestling, by the way.

SPEAKER_02

True and genuine independent wrestling.

SPEAKER_00

Super skilled. And we got a bunch of innovate boys always showing up there. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02

Got our boy Habibi.

SPEAKER_01

Hey Diop.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, uh, shout out Habebe. Habebe. Had his had the Habebe today. Habibi's Habebe. Congrats, bro.

SPEAKER_02

I was telling uh Tony uh cool. He wrestled two shows that day and then had a baby that night. That's awesome. I mean, the wrestle gods. Did he win both? Not sure. Win both matches? I know one of them was against Andy.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, that's right. That match was awesome. I think they're tied two and two. I seen I seen clips from that match. Habibi and Andy Optip Optimal.

SPEAKER_01

Another show to promote. Um Battlegrounds Net Pro Studios.

SPEAKER_02

This Friday, ain't it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Friday, July 3rd. Main event is Crazo, Crash Donahue, Habibi, and Rabbit for the NetPro Championship.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, dude. It'd be awesome. Oh god. I feel like we I feel like we need to get to that show. It's rough. Friday night shows are hard to get for us to get to, but that show would be premium for us to get to.

SPEAKER_02

We don't get to make it to many battleground shows when we need to.

SPEAKER_01

Won't we be out of town?

SPEAKER_00

No, you have no idea when we're leaving. You obviously have no clue.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. You're going to get a you're going to get a bag thrown over your head when you're asleep and you're just going to wake up and start with the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_00

That's how we're taking everybody, actually. No, we'll be we'll be there the day where we're the recording their interview. Okay. Sunday. So yeah, the battlegrounds, that match looks awesome. Excited for that. And then NGW, NGW has a bunch of has a bunch of announcements for a bunch of people showing up.

SPEAKER_02

They've made a ton already.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, a ton. It's a ton. You know. A lot of. I really want to talk about the announcements for AMW Super Bowl of Wrestling. Yeah, AMW Super Bowl of Wrestling, actually, too. And I'd like to say AMW Super Bowl of Wrestling. I'm super shocked to see that there's going to be a few people there that I didn't expect at all. Kyle Maggard's going to be there. He's going to be there. That was last week. Yeah, I seen that. That was really surprising. Uh John Noble. He's actually hosting. Oh, he's hosting. Okay. That's yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. I didn't expect Stan Sierra. Stanciera, Murphy Costigan. I did not expect that. That's very surprising.

SPEAKER_02

Very shocked. Shocked. Really speechless.

SPEAKER_00

What? See? Okay, beautiful. NGW and Teddy Long.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, they did get Teddy Long.

SPEAKER_00

Alright, that is kind of cool. Breeze won the title when we were there, made his return when we were at that show, and won the title, the NGW title at that show.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00

And he's and he'll be there.

SPEAKER_02

He will be back.

SPEAKER_00

I wonder if he's challenged. They didn't say he's like challenged or anything. Well, something will come up.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think no matches have been announced.

SPEAKER_00

Something will come up. And who else did who else did they announce today?

SPEAKER_01

Good bros.

SPEAKER_00

You don't know who they are.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I do. I was just getting it. They sound so familiar. NGW Tag Champs, Haim and Jordan.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. The Thomas Haim. I mean, we we they're awesome, dude. He knocked off my hat off. He did knock your hat off. Fucking asshole. What hat were you wearing?

SPEAKER_02

My DevTon's hat. One of my cooler hats. Oh. He didn't like it. He don't know music. Facade? The Neon Ninja. The Neon Ninja, which is that dude.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, he also has a title. I just didn't want to list it wrong. Yeah, I don't know. He is a current champion in NGW as well.

SPEAKER_00

He's an NGW champion, but I don't know what their other title is. Like it's like TV or US or something, but yeah. But he is one of their champs. And rightly so. I'm seeing Watch Ratchet once, and it was awesome. He jumped off the rafters. Yeah, literally, actually rafters. And missed it too. Like landed.

SPEAKER_02

Dude was a real one for committing to that boss.

SPEAKER_00

Just imagine that conversation. Yeah, right here, I'm gonna jump. You can just move.

SPEAKER_02

I wonder whose idea it was to move.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Well, I would imagine it was his.

SPEAKER_02

It'd be a hard thing for somebody to be like true, but at the same time, he did a he did like a Swanton. Whatnot a Swanton, but a rolling Senton. So it could have been.

SPEAKER_00

It could have been. It'd be really hard to be the guy that was on the ground just being like, yeah, I'm not taking that, actually. Yeah, actually. We're not doing that. Hey, Shout Out Boy Gen Z just won another title. X LW?

SPEAKER_02

XW what? XWE, I think. XWE, something like that. Pretty sure because the shooter society won the tag titles of that same place. Oh shoot.

SPEAKER_00

That's awesome. Shout out our boys.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's all our boys there. That's awesome though that he's I mean, he's won titles in a lot of promotions now.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

He's so amazing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he's on fire.

SPEAKER_00

To watch out for. We need to put a worker shoot top top 25 indie wrestlers to watch out for. Top 25 in we need to do a top 26 in 26.

SPEAKER_02

We'll do that. We're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_00

Look out for that. I just made that up off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_02

We're coming up with a lot of shit tonight. A lot of shit. We're on fire. Yeah. Recovery weeks are always. I know. Recovery weeks matter, yeah. Recovery is just as important as the workouts.

SPEAKER_00

We were I was so worn out last week. Everybody was, and the shows and everything. Claybe is asleep, actually. We were getting ready to record. Okay, who else? Who else we got showing up to NGW?

SPEAKER_02

Uh so we got Trey Lamar coming back. Uh dude was we saw him first time we saw him, and dude was awesome. Shout out Terry.

SPEAKER_00

I've never seen him either.

SPEAKER_02

Terry was uh telling us about him. He's like, y'all are gonna love him. Check his dude out. Yes. Who was that? Trailer Moore. I can't remember who he fought. He could fly though. He did a lot of the like the diving foot stomps.

SPEAKER_01

Was he in the Fatal Four way?

SPEAKER_02

No, he was in a one-on-one. I'd have to show him. I don't remember him if I saw him. Um Corrine J returns. I think I'm pronouncing that correct.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not sure. I don't think she was at the last show, so she must be returning after a hiatus of some sort. Yeah. From NG Dub. Uh we got Suge D coming back.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I don't remember. Oh, Suge D.

SPEAKER_02

He was the one he was the champion, wasn't he? Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And that that breeze was thrown in to make a triple threat. Yes. And then won.

SPEAKER_00

Breeze won. So Suge's probably that makes sense to him and Breeze get at it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Suge's probably coming back for some vengeance, I would say. Um Ravena Vane. I don't know who that is, but I'm down. She debuts. I'm down. I like her name. Yes, I'm excited for that. Uh Davy Vega returns. I'm pretty sure he was Mance Warner's replacement.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, oh yeah. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, he's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Got him, uh Cole Raderick. He's coming back. He was fun to watch. He was in the Fatal Four Way.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he was the race car dude.

SPEAKER_02

Um and then Aaron Wade. He was like that Cobra Kai dude or something.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Killer, I like him too. He's coming back. I like NGW.

SPEAKER_01

Which Rich Swan was there?

SPEAKER_02

Who knows? Yeah, bro. He might be. I mean, Fraud. Honestly, Fraud. He was awesome. For for what I've gathered with NGW, I mean, it seems like Randy Savage could could appear. Yeah, because they're well, he's dead, but then they're the names, the names that they draw in and the names that they've had in the past, it's un it's unbelievable. It's because they're like the Knoxville show. Oh, God, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right. It's they're known for being in Knoxville forever and like and and doing all the things. Which I saw we'll we'll we'll have to get them to talk about it next week.

SPEAKER_02

Slaps wake up in the in the interview about uh that the you see the stuff about the Newport Armory?

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_02

There was a wrestling show there like over the weekend and it just looked awful. Ring the ring was all to hell, it didn't have no aprons. Oh no. I reckon NG Dub used to run out of there. And they did because they ended up sh posting a picture. Uh it was a match with Cody. Might have been a four-way. That was in that same armory years ago.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So we'll have to get them to Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

We'll get them to talk about it.

SPEAKER_02

Write that down. We'll have to get the the Newport Armory lore with NG Dub.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to know that. I love I don't know what it is about an armory, but I like to go into shows in armory. It just works. Watching Southern States and Armory just like for some reason.

SPEAKER_02

Good old Southern Rassling down in down in the county armory.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know why they only talk about NASCAR and God, but like but it's still a good show. Good hot dogs. Shout out the concession people. I told them to sub to the show because we talk about their hot dogs. It's pretty good food there, actually. Very, very sweet.

SPEAKER_02

We've only been to one southern state, but it was very, very nice of very sweet folks. What's the word? Uh camaradic.

SPEAKER_01

Are we still talking about NGW?

SPEAKER_00

No. No, we're talking about southern states at the have you been to the armory? No. You've never been to the armory? I thought he has with you before. I thought he went, but you you know, because I went I went by myself twice. Oh, okay. Yeah, you'd enjoy it though, Clay. We'll go we'll go there. Yeah, they have a combo in their food. You can get chips and a candy bar and a hot dog. Yeah, they do. For a and a and a drink for a certain price, and nobody does that, and people should do that more.

SPEAKER_01

That's Bo James Production, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Also, I like to get uh shout out shout them out for the uh I reckon they just had their first show in Alabama over the weekend. Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. They're on TV in Alabama. They were on the news. Yeah. Uh Baker got the news reporter on his shoulder, I reckon.

SPEAKER_00

I've seen that. I've seen that.

SPEAKER_02

I reckon Alabama loves the faction.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well, that checks out. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Actually.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

Checks out that everybody in Alabama loves Baker. That actually, yeah. Tracks all the way in. Yeah, so the NGW show, again, we'll we'll get have more promotion for it next week because next week's gonna be the actual interview uh for with our with with the boys, and we'll have them on next week and we'll let you know more this week of what's going on up to that, going up to that show. We're also coming off Night of Champions.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Where Sami Zayn finally won. Sami Zayn finally won the the big one. The big title. We've been waiting on Sammy Zayn to win a title like that forever, and it's nice.

SPEAKER_02

I just want to be real too. I didn't know Sammy was in the match until Friday.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think Sammy was in the match until like Monday.

SPEAKER_02

Like it was like I I saw the SmackDown highlights,

Night Of Champions And Booking Talk

SPEAKER_02

you know, the go home show, and I saw it was him going through. Well, there was that big brawl that happened at the end of the show, and I was like, where the f what's Sammy doing? And then dude wins the title.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and it was awesome too. One clean roll-up, most powerful movie in wrestling. Nothing like it.

SPEAKER_02

I was talking to Chase and he was airing his grievances about it.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02

He didn't like it? Not really. Which I'd say this is this is truthfully, this is it really just feels like Kofi Mania again. Yeah, yeah, and it ain't knocking it. Dude, it is deserved, same as Kofi deserved it. But at the same time, where do we go now?

SPEAKER_00

No, I I agree, but I think um I think it's like there's other things going on. Like I I think the point is to get the point is to get the title unfortunately back on Cody as many times as possible, probably. Or I just don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Or El Denerico versus Kevin Stein.

SPEAKER_00

I just don't know. Hey, I got bad news for that, by the way. Sorry to interrupt, but Kevin Owens was doing commentary pre-show NXT Great American Bash. Oh, really? Yeah, I think that's bad news. That Kevin Owens is doing commentary.

SPEAKER_02

Could be, or is it really all he can well, I guess that's bad news regardless, if it's all he can do, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it seems like bad news. What he did? Big E. Oh, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it seems like bad news. But but anyway, yeah, uh, I could see it being I could see it being Kofi Mania.

SPEAKER_02

But all it seems like it would be the way to go, but I pray it doesn't. I've seen people talk about it. Me and Chase is talking about it as well. I just hope they don't bring Brock in to put it on Brock to give it to Oba.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think that would suck. Yes.

SPEAKER_02

I wouldn't be shocked by it one bit.

SPEAKER_00

No. You said it now, I'm like, oh yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_02

Like my thing though is like the tiebreaker between Obum Brock can be without the strap. I truly do not want to see Brock with the strap ever again. No, he don't need to. He don't deserve it right now. Oh my god, he went how many years and wrestled three times with as champion? Like, I'm still got PTSD from all that shit. Yeah, that would suck. And that's just, I guess that's just speculation.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe Oba picked Sammy at SummerSlam and just beat Sammy at SummerSlam.

SPEAKER_02

But see, but that's the thing. That'd be too easy. It's going to be a squash match. Yeah. So it only makes sense that Oba chooses Roman.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Oba choosing Roman makes the most sense to me e anyway, because Roman's the only person that could beat Oba and Obama not take a hit from it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Because Roman is expected to beat Oba.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And it could be shenanigans anyway.

SPEAKER_02

But and but truthfully it can truly go either way.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, or Oba could beat Roman because Roman can take the pin.

SPEAKER_02

That's the nice, you know, because if they put him against Sammy and Sammy beats him, there goes the push. All that all that heat. Or not heat, but you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_00

I definitely don't think he picks Sammy. I don't think Sammy will be championed by Mania or, you know, by SummerSlam.

SPEAKER_02

But at the same time though, because uh it was brought to my attention too. What if they keep it on them till mania? Because it's back in Saudi.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, because Mania's in Saudi? Next year. Yeah. Yeah, but then what do you drop it at Saudi?

unknown

I I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think he'll keep it for a year. I think it'd be crazy. I mean it's not a year. But I mean it's well, it's almost a year. I mean, it's eight months, nine months. Yeah. I I think it'd be crazy to keep it on him. He don't he's not always gonna be over. You got it on him. He don't really need it. Like, you got it on him in Saudi, which also he felt real baby in that match, even though he's been a heel up until that match kind of turned. So I don't know. I'm happy with the match. I thought it was good. I thought it was a good event. I thought it was a better one of the better WWE events this year. I actually think. The matches were good. The Oba match was really good. Uh and then like Oba J was good, surprisingly. And then you guys didn't get to watch a lot of it. But I watched the full, the only match that I watched full was Live and EO.

SPEAKER_02

Which is Which you I saw did it basically got the the finish got spoiled.

SPEAKER_00

The finish got spoiled, yeah. But it was gold though. The match was really good.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, hell, and not just that. I mean, even if it was even if it was sport, it's Dan Housen. Who's gonna complain? Yeah, no, honestly.

SPEAKER_00

Dan Housen's uh Dan Housen's doing gold. Doing gold work. Dan Housen's have we recorded since he made the Knicks win? I don't think so. We didn't? Yeah, I think we made them since they went on the streak. I don't think since they won. Oh, yeah, I don't think they're gonna be. Yeah. Yeah. They won the championship. Like Nick Housen's. Thank you, Dan Housen. Also, all the shit he's doing with the Miz and the Miz being like zombie. And uh, what's his name? Being Kit being a zombie?

SPEAKER_02

Kit Will Son or something like that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And then making them making the pyro go off and cursing people. I'm pretty sure his moves now are Stinger Death Drop. Oh, that's awesome. Scorpion Death Drop? I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00

We should put the teeth in their mouth though.

SPEAKER_02

I need to.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Michael, was it Michael he gave him to when he debuted? Yeah. Yeah, where the where are the teeth, Michael?

SPEAKER_00

He's got Michael's got the teeth. Michael's got his teeth. But yeah, Michael, if you're listening. Michael, if you're listening, please get the teeth. I wonder.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe we got Kevin O'Rourke's and Yeah, we give him some teeth.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. We'll get Dan House and some teeth. We send him some. Yeah. Can you mail to him?

SPEAKER_01

Poppy's got a jar of.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, that's weird. You're right. I forgot. Don't. We're not gonna talk about it. We're gonna talk about it on TV. Somebody might go to jail. Yeah, but yeah, Knight of Champions was good. Happy with that. Currently, while we're recording, a couple pay-per-views are going on. Yeah. WWE Bash, not Bash the Beach. Uh Great American Bash. They should do Great American Bash to the Beach. Like 4th July. Fourth July double pay-per-view. They really need to. Great American Bash. Tony D'Angelo is facing Naraku. Naraku.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, we didn't even talk about our NXT trip.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. Nice. Well, we're good thing we're on NXT talk. I mean Tony D'Angelo picked him as the winner because we seen Tony D'Angelo two weeks ago at NXT, and he was awesome. He really was. That show was fantastic. It was a broke, really. He's huge. He really is. Who all we see?

SPEAKER_01

We've seen then we've seen the Zarya, Titan

NXT Trip Recap And Live Reactions

SPEAKER_01

Paxley, Kendall Grace. Kindle Grace, Ariana.

SPEAKER_00

Um why are you only naming the females?

SPEAKER_01

I was.

SPEAKER_00

It's just funny.

SPEAKER_01

I was singing of the fatal four-way.

SPEAKER_00

I know, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01

I'm just kidding. Uh we've seen Birthright. Shallow Hill. Shallow Hill. Troy Parker. Birthright's my favorite, by the way. No, Jasper Troy.

SPEAKER_02

Jasper Troy.

SPEAKER_01

Troy Parker another guy? Troy Parker's. Troy Parker's Pine Driver.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. There's too many Troys and shit. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean. At least I'm thinking about Troy that high.

SPEAKER_00

Unless you think about Parker up there. Not yet, but soon. EK um Oh, E.K.

SPEAKER_02

Prosper. E.K. Prosper. E.K. Prosper, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Never seen him.

SPEAKER_02

He was awesome. He was.

SPEAKER_01

He was Easy Rain. Oh, yeah. Easy Rain.

SPEAKER_02

Dude, she was awesome.

SPEAKER_00

She was so good. She was so much fun. The energy is insane when she comes out, actually.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. That move of hers is just end.

SPEAKER_00

The flight, like the step up knee or whatever.

SPEAKER_02

Step up size. Is it called Stairway to Heaven? Oh my God, that would be awesome.

SPEAKER_01

I'm pretty sure it's what it's called.

SPEAKER_00

I think it's called something nuts like that.

SPEAKER_01

We got to see um Michael Lockwood. Um Miles Bourne. Um what's Michael Lockwood's boyfriend's name or whatever? The dude that faced Miles Bourne for the title.

SPEAKER_00

I know I can't remember his name.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. It's Jackson something.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, Jackson Drake.

SPEAKER_00

Drake.

SPEAKER_01

No.

SPEAKER_00

Drake.

SPEAKER_01

Jackson Drake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because you asked me if he was car if he was in the group with the tag champs.

SPEAKER_01

So get over it.

SPEAKER_00

Whatever. It was good.

SPEAKER_02

Great show, though.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it was a fantastic show.

SPEAKER_02

The seats were perfect.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that's what I was thinking. I was thinking about we went to Innovate Saturday and I was like, but didn't we do something on Friday as well? Didn't we do something some other time? And I was like, oh yeah, Thursday. We went to NXT. Yeah, the seats were great. We're not telling you about the seats because we can't. That's going to be our seats every time we go anywhere.

SPEAKER_02

That ended probably just get a bunch of heat on us. Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no, no. We we took appropriate measures to show that we belong.

SPEAKER_02

We did. But who's to say we will every time? Or we're going to be.

SPEAKER_00

I I'll work it out. Okay.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I'll work it out. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Clay's an actor. I got faith in you.

SPEAKER_00

Clay's an actor. It's fine. I'll get it there. We got both of them. My name's Clay Knight. Cheese. I'm going to delete this one, actually.

SPEAKER_02

Making them at night.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. We're going way off. We're going way off topic. Okay. So next week, NGW, the NGW interview. All right, with guys' names?

SPEAKER_02

Eddie, Eddie, uh, Eddie Shepard.

SPEAKER_00

Eddie Shepard.

SPEAKER_01

Cody Ford.

SPEAKER_00

Cody Ford. There you go. Proud of you guys. Proud of you boys. Proud of you boys. God. Wayne O somehow made the most impact. He makes the most impact on every episode. He makes more of an impact on the episodes than Wes does. And Wayne's not even here. I hate Wes ain't here either.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Let's talk about expansion draft. Didn't we talk about that? No. No, we didn't. You talk about it then. Um expansion draft. Um Alliance and Federation. Um What was first pick? First pick was Andy Optimal. No. No. You made that up. No, he was first picked for one of 'em.

SPEAKER_02

Oh. Well,

Innovate Expansion Draft Explained

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I got the whole list of it. And then he got traded.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And then he got traded. Did Andy get traded? Yeah. Oh, Moxie was the first pick. Yeah, Moxie was first picked. Hunter turned baby face. Yes. Turning the Illuminati.

SPEAKER_02

It's been a long time coming.

SPEAKER_00

That's been a long time coming, her turning. Yeah, we've we've seen that coming for a while. And then she left and came back in a black and white striped riff shirt. She's still the head bitch in charge.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, I think she forever will be. Makes sense, yeah. I mean it's good though. But I mean, let's say we know of the first time this has happened in wrestling in indie wrestling. Yeah. A draft. I mean, you got a roster so friggin' big. It's huge. You just gotta you gotta split it into two brands.

SPEAKER_00

Their rosters. Their roster's insane. Their roster's awesome too. But what if didn't they draft the referees too? Chris? Um I think I thought they drafted I thought they drafted refs.

SPEAKER_02

I'm pretty sure refs were drafted.

SPEAKER_00

They said they'd still work between shows or whatever, but because I remember Chris Chris got drafted to uh to Alliance, I think. Harmon.

SPEAKER_02

I believe so. Yeah. I think that's on a separate post that it was posted.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think it is too. His but his his wife posted about it. Yeah. Like posted about coming over to the to the alliance.

SPEAKER_02

You want to read it off?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I already um for the alliance roster, we have Troy Parker, Chains, Brandon Hartsook, Alex Adkins, Ben Adkins, Joe Briggs, Nick Blackwell, CJ Knight, Rebecca Lynn, Elliot Russell, RT3, JC Adams, Max Michaels, Air America, The Big Guns, A BB, Alex Monroe, and Crash Donahue.

SPEAKER_02

And I also want to point out, too, that Truman literally drafted the whole Illuminati.

SPEAKER_01

He did. He didn't mean to.

SPEAKER_02

And it ended up happening. It ended up happening.

SPEAKER_01

The only one not in there, the only one not in there is Andy Optimal.

SPEAKER_02

Which he was. And then they traded him. And then he got traded to the Federation.

SPEAKER_01

They had to move him. For Brennan Harson.

SPEAKER_00

Which is funny anyway.

SPEAKER_02

I just wonder how that's going to go. I mean, you still got most of the, you know, most of the group on one brand, but did C C get drafted to one brand? No, I don't know because Axton is the champion.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, right. Axton doesn't get drafted because he's he's he's there. But I was wondering where Heart Sook and But Chains and Heartsook are on the alliance.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. They are on the same brand. So technically, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That makes sense then.

SPEAKER_02

Because Axton can appear on both.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And they kind of have free birds kind of thing, right? Because they're like whichever one of them is the tag team.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like Heartsook and Chains can be Sin City.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. That's how they do with Pineapple Express.

SPEAKER_01

And for the Federation roster, we have Wayne Moxie, Crazo, Toby Farley. Ooh, that team's nuts. Andy Optimal. Caleb Courageous, new VIP pass winner. Tim. Oh yeah. Bobby Mitchell, Trayvon O'Lee, Evan Golden, Marquise Williams, Asika. I think Braxton Kane, who we seen at NGW in the opening match. Yeah, yeah. Uh Cash Henning, the Pineapple Express, Wild Bill and Travis Lee, The Faction, Block Block B and the Cross Brothers. The Cross Brothers.

SPEAKER_00

Dudes. I can even the fact that the Cross Brothers got drafted means that they're going to be there more often. Oh yeah. Oh my God. I'm addicted to those dudes. I went back and watched a bunch of their highlights.

SPEAKER_02

Dude, did you watch the Chronicles that Baker and uh Connie sent to you? Oh, but yes. I don't know if I didn't know what to do. Oh my gosh, swear to God, I think it was the best thing I've ever watched.

SPEAKER_01

It's the best thing ever.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe I didn't watch it.

SPEAKER_01

They literally kidnapped um Aiden. Yes. Aiden Cross. Wow. They kidnapped him and made a whole gimmick out of it. And I reckon it all started. That's how Conley's gimmick rocks.

SPEAKER_02

It all started because I believe it was Aiden who made a diabetes comment to Baker after he was diagnosed. And I re and I reckon I still I think it was Aiden, one of them, worked for this pyramid scheme of this like weight loss thing or training thing. Let's go. So the whole time, like Conley was addicted to it, was addicted to that shit. And they they they kidnapped Aiden, kept him in, like put him in Chinese finger traps, uh, and they were trying to make him fat. So they was feeding him just a bunch of junk and stuff. I love it. And so like they'd have them in the finger traps, you know, like you can't go nowhere, but like when they're not around, he'd like have one off and he's like eating cereal or something. And Baker's like, where do you keep getting these phones, dude? You gotta go watch it. Oh my god, it's so weird.

SPEAKER_00

I watch it, I promise, I'll watch it.

SPEAKER_02

But back to on the draft stuff, there is a few people that didn't get drafted because they currently hold titles, and titles aren't brand exclusive. So cross brand who can appear on both shows, you got Axton Ray, who's the innovate grand champion. Um the new, which they retained, but newly innovate grand tag team champions, the faction Baker and Conley, they can rock a McConnell shirt, actually. Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_01

But uh Jeff Pro.

SPEAKER_02

JCon Pro.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_02

But they can appear on both shows. Uh Nicole Payne and the entire women's roster. Oh, right, because they're still building it up. Didn't want to split it. They're still building the women's brand. Um girl challenging Nicole, right, this weekend. Yeah, that's coming up. I didn't get her name. But yes, they're that but it the matches set though.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um trades can be made, and there is still free agents that can be signed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I wonder, yeah, because there's definitely free agents, and I mean, and basically they bring somebody new up every every week, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, plus you got the graduation matches and stuff, so there's gonna be a consistent add-in to rosters forever now.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. I think that's gonna be I mean, I think it's gonna be a great thing. I don't know, we're gonna be able to go to uh we're gonna be able to go to all the all the shows, because there seems to be a lot of them. I tell you, so it's gonna be Alliance and Hopefully we can make it. Jesse Bell. Is that her name? Jesse Bell is the Innovate Women's Championship against Nicole Payne. It's Friday, right?

SPEAKER_02

Hopefully we can make it Saturday on July 11th. On July 11th, yeah. That's at ground zero, which is an alliance. Ground zero is the first alliance show.

SPEAKER_00

Alliance show.

SPEAKER_02

But honestly, federation is what I want to catch because I think federation is where the crazy shit's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think federation will be like the harder, the more streams.

SPEAKER_01

Hopefully we can make it to ground zero. Because we come home that day.

unknown

Yeah, we'll go.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we'll go.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we'll go. Wrestling.

SPEAKER_01

And hopefully we make it to battlegrounds too. Wrestling. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we'll go. We'll figure it out. Fuck it. We'll go we'll go. We we send it to wrestling shows. It don't even matter. Alright, boys. Um, what else we got to talk about? We covered we covered pretty much everything we needed to cover tonight, I think.

SPEAKER_02

I believe so.

SPEAKER_00

Did we cover the did we talk about Troy Parker and Axton?

SPEAKER_02

No, no, we do need to talk about that. The match itself, my God.

SPEAKER_00

That match was nuts. The VIP scramble was nuts, too.

SPEAKER_01

Double disqualification.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, with Axton and yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Or no, or was it double uh uh double count out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Double count out, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Which was fine. The match went 60 minutes. They went the full hour. Yeah. They went the full hour, and then

Axton Ray Signing And 60-Minute War

SPEAKER_00

they were gonna give them 10 more minutes, I think. No, they went they got counted out in the last like five minutes.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They got double count out. They they beat the shit out of each other. Oh my god. And Axton had a for a shoot promo at the end of him getting signed. Oh yeah, shout out Axton signing with the NWA. We've not got we've not got to talk about that actually. Our boy Axton Ray signed with the signed with NWA. I mean, that's that's awesome. And honestly, they you know, he's gonna be awesome there. They they won getting him because he's gonna be he's gonna be fantastic there.

SPEAKER_02

I'll just I'll say it like this. I'm really gonna hate the day when Silas Mason loses that beautiful 10 pounds of gold. But at some point after he does, it's gonna land on Axton.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, it'll land on Axton. Yeah. Axton will definitely Axton will definitely hold that belt. He deserves to. That'll be it'll be awesome.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, that's down the road, but maybe not soon, but but at the same time, it could with his ability, who knows?

SPEAKER_00

And we'll see him work because where he's from and where he wrestles at and stuff, like I I imagine seeing him a lot on at the Joe and going to those other shows. And which he also he still has his company too. And yeah, it's up Paul Driver, but as soon as he's up for that belt, we'll go to that show wherever it's at. Absolutely. NWA will film, wherever NWA films will be.

SPEAKER_02

They got which they got NWA Power. Their next uh big show coming up is NWA might be 75. It could be the size of the Philly. The 75th anniversary of NWA's in ECW Arena. It's in ECW arena. Yeah. Yeah. Which our accent's on the card.

SPEAKER_00

That'd be awesome. We should go to that. We could drive there.

SPEAKER_02

When is it? Uh I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00

We could drive there. I'm just saying worker worker worker shoot road trip uh to to to the oh wait, no, it's that might be 77. NWA 77? He doesn't know. It's fine. We'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_02

No, yeah. Just keep talking and I'll find it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. But I do think I do think seeing Axton with seeing Axton in the in the big world, I think people seeing him is gonna get get him over so much. Because just watching him, just watching him wrestle like at all. Oh, and Natty's gonna be there.

SPEAKER_02

And it's an NWA 78. 75 was three years ago. So I'm just a little smart guy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Natty Nighthart. Yeah, Natty Nighthart is gonna be there. And she's like in the mean gimmick. Oh yeah. Oh, it's gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_02

That show rocks. July 25th.

SPEAKER_01

Day before NGW. Day before NGW.

unknown

Fuck.

SPEAKER_02

We might catch 79. 79. We'll see you there.

SPEAKER_00

Or 80. Either way, it's awesome. Catch worker shoot at at shows all summer. We got plenty of summer left. We've got plenty of shows left.

SPEAKER_02

Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like I said, next week, interview with the NGW co-owners gonna talk about promoting NGW Rassel Wars, uh, which is coming up and got everybody got everybody booked, got Good Brothers booked, uh Breeze, the uh NGW Tag Champs. That's I mean, it's it's insane who all is coming.

SPEAKER_02

And God knows who who ain't been announced and who ain't gonna and who ain't gonna be known until the show.

SPEAKER_00

And then Innovate will say, I'm sure there's gonna be some innovate dudes there. I would think a baby there, but he might be on maternity leave. So, you know, I don't know. I'm just kidding. But he's he's got a baby, a baby uh boost. He's he's gonna win for a while, I would say, with a baby boost. Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You want to get a push, just have a baby.

SPEAKER_00

That's it's that's real. Or come out of or come out of a box.

SPEAKER_02

Or yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You gotta come out. That's the only way to get over it. Have a baby or come out of a box. Or have a baby come out of a box. Have a baby come out of a box. What'd that say? Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01

Who won the NXT championship? Kendall Gray won the NXT championship championship.

SPEAKER_00

That's weird. I didn't have that pick. Did you have that picked? Not at all.

SPEAKER_02

No, I really didn't know who she was until last week.

SPEAKER_00

And AEW, tonight, AEW has all um Forbidden Door. Forbidden Door. And there's a six-man tag cage match. Eight-man tag? The cage is a circle. It's a gigantic circle.

SPEAKER_02

It's like the OG elimination chamber, but without the chambers. Dude.

SPEAKER_00

It's gonna be awesome. Show's been show's been good so far. I've watched like some of the some of the updates and some of the winners and some of the stuff going on. Young Bucks are back. Super kick party is back. Super Kick Party. Yeah, but anyway, that show's going on tonight. We'll cover those results next week when we record after the interview. So yeah. Make sure you follow, follow us on Facebook, TikTok, Instagram.

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Even if you're making fun of us. We're getting ready to drop a new topic, top 25 independent wrestlers. 26, 26, and 26.

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Top 26 and 26. Halfway through 26 to 26.

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A lot of sixes.

SPEAKER_00

There's yeah, there's three.

SPEAKER_02

A lot of twenties. There's three of those.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, either way. Uh boys got anything else? As always. God wrestling is wrong. Wrestling is wrestling is so good. I love wrestling. Don't you love wrestling? I love wrestling. I love wrestling. Wrestling's so good. Claybo? Yeah. Noah? What? Wes? Aw. Ring the bell. Clay already got up.